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DHM  
#1 Posted : 25 April 2025 16:55:21(UTC)
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DHM

Hi Everyone,

With the London Marathon happening this weekend I thought it might be an appropriate time to ask this question.

My charity client organises fun runs and similar events that the public attend to raise funds on their behalf. My client is concerned about the health of individuals and their liability if they suffer a negative health event. Currently they ask all attendees to sign a disclaimer stating that as a far as they know they are in good health. We know that a disclaimer is a weak control measure, can anyone else think of other more robust controls that can be introduced please?

Thanks in advance

DHM

Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 25 April 2025 19:48:24(UTC)
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Roundtuit

The recent news of Emma Willis is a prime example of how people presume they are in good health whilst having unknown underlying health conditions.

The only way to be absolutely sure is a thorough intrusive medical examination problem is who pays the not insignifocant cost and what happens when?

Fund raising already has costs before the public throw themselves in harms way - I found myself smiling at the news those intrepid tandem parachute jumpers typically end up costing the cause more than they raise.

Best way to avoid the liability just ask for the cash.

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Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 25 April 2025 19:48:24(UTC)
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Roundtuit

The recent news of Emma Willis is a prime example of how people presume they are in good health whilst having unknown underlying health conditions.

The only way to be absolutely sure is a thorough intrusive medical examination problem is who pays the not insignifocant cost and what happens when?

Fund raising already has costs before the public throw themselves in harms way - I found myself smiling at the news those intrepid tandem parachute jumpers typically end up costing the cause more than they raise.

Best way to avoid the liability just ask for the cash.

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DHM  
#4 Posted : 28 April 2025 06:12:59(UTC)
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DHM

Thanks for the response, unfortunately just asking for cash is not going to be an option as the runners are invested in their efforts to keep fit and raise funds. I also did a tandem parachute jump last year for charity and survived! I raised £2000 for Prostate Cancer UK.

Does anyone have other ideas on how to manage this in a reasonably practicable way please?

Thanks

DHM

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Xavier123  
#5 Posted : 28 April 2025 08:03:55(UTC)
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Xavier123

What you've described is broadly what happens for most running events across the UK already - self assessment of health.

By way of comparison the fitness industry used to use a PAR-Q process when customers wished to start using their facilities - a 1to1 process with some base level assessment of physical health with medical professional 'permission' sought where contra-indications existed. Like an MOT though, this is merely appropriate for that point in time. Arguably may be of more practical use for one-off events but still very resource intensive. Consequently this process has often now given way in favour of the Health Commitment Statement which is pretty much what you're describing - a disclaimer that I suspect many people sign without significant thought.

At some point, particularly in leisure activities, there comes a degree of personal responsibility. As an event organiser you can foresee that there will be various accidents and an increased likelihood of medical incidents and plan your emergency arrangements accordingly. With those response arrangements in place I would have thought that the duty of care was met...but I haven't got any claims data to back that up! I can certainly attest that would be my regulatory view.

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WatsonD  
#6 Posted : 28 April 2025 08:23:13(UTC)
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WatsonD

Hi DHM

I think you are looking for a unicorn. The one aspect you cannot control is who enters and how their body responds to the exertion placed on them form taking aprt, known underlying health conditions or not.

Short of insisiting on a thorough medical, which you will not get, all you can really do is ask them to sign the disclaimer. If they have an accident caused by an underlying health condition, and you have shown that you have provided a warning and asked them to confirm, I can't honestly see what else you would be expected to do.

There are literally thousnad of these types of events going on around the country evey year, and all of the ones I have entered have relied on the same tried and tested measures.

They focus on making sure the risks are mitigated for the event itself and adequate first aid, marshalling, pre- event safety briefings, warning of hazards, route checks, etc.

Good luck, but I think you would be better of offering your clients reassurance there is a tried and tested precendent for this.

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peter gotch on 28/04/2025(UTC)
A Kurdziel  
#7 Posted : 28 April 2025 10:02:41(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

The people taking part in these sort of events are volunteers and as such they are responsible for their understanding what effect taking part will have on their own health. I don’t like the term “disclaimer” as it implies that the organisers have a duty of care to the entrants, but the entrants  have agreed to waive that duty. There is no duty of care as far as individual’s health goes. All they might get is a reminder of this fact. I am not sure they even need to sign it.

Just because someone comes to harm it does not automatically follow that  someone is at fault and liable.

Of course if the person injured is a bystander and not volunteering for anything, then that is a completely different kettle of fish.

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peter gotch  
#8 Posted : 28 April 2025 11:01:40(UTC)
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peter gotch

HI DHM

I agree with earlier comments. 

The Charity cannot be reasonably be expected to put all those running as volunteers to raise funds for it through some thorough "medical" that may or may not identfify a problem that could occur during some event.

I would be surprised if ANY mass participation event such as the London Marathon managed more than a year without at least one of those taking part needing medical attention due to some unforseen (and, likely, not reasonably foreseeable) circumstance 

For perspective, the London Ambulance Service put out a warning BEFORE yesterday's Marathon. London Ambulance Service senior paramedic warns runners to focus on fun rather than finish times - London Ambulance Service NHS Trust

What they didn't suggest was that runners should consider not taking part!

firesafety101  
#9 Posted : 28 April 2025 11:41:47(UTC)
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firesafety101

Originally Posted by: DHM Go to Quoted Post

Thanks for the response, unfortunately just asking for cash is not going to be an option as the runners are invested in their efforts to keep fit and raise funds. I also did a tandem parachute jump last year for charity and survived! I raised £2000 for Prostate Cancer UK.

Does anyone have other ideas on how to manage this in a reasonably practicable way please?

Thanks

DHM

Many thanks for you very brave efforts.



Guru  
#10 Posted : 28 April 2025 12:01:55(UTC)
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Guru

Some good advice given.  Gov.UK has a guide covering a number of aspects for events and key considerations also.    Organising a voluntary event: a 'can do' guide - GOV.UK

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