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Tom CMIOSH  
#1 Posted : 07 May 2025 08:05:00(UTC)
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Tom CMIOSH

Good morning.

I am interested in gaining information on procedures and training for: Re-setting Electrical Overloads and Trips for Non-Electrical Staff.

I am currently observing poor practices / high potential risk!  

Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 07 May 2025 08:23:26(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Our procedures do not cover non-electrical staff resetting overloads and trip switches as these are intrinsic safety devices and the fact they are operating indicates an issue, typically with the applied load, that requires investigation by someone competent.

All electrical boxes are locked with operatives having no access to the keys.

I do appreciate what you are seeing - operators leaving panels open so they can reset an overload each time a machine is required to operate, generally because there is one electrician or it is an outsourced activity.

This situation has two primary causes (over and above poor management) in that the equipment trip limits were incorrectly set at installation of the plant on a hair trigger or the operators are trying to avoid a long and generally unpleasant task removing some form of blockage or accumulation by "limping" the kit in to the next shift.

Personally I would start by ensuring the trips are correctly set and then move to maintenance procedures to address blockages and accumulation.

thanks 8 users thanked Roundtuit for this useful post.
peter gotch on 07/05/2025(UTC), Martin Fieldingt on 07/05/2025(UTC), Tom CMIOSH on 07/05/2025(UTC), Kate on 07/05/2025(UTC), peter gotch on 07/05/2025(UTC), Martin Fieldingt on 07/05/2025(UTC), Tom CMIOSH on 07/05/2025(UTC), Kate on 07/05/2025(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 07 May 2025 08:23:26(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Our procedures do not cover non-electrical staff resetting overloads and trip switches as these are intrinsic safety devices and the fact they are operating indicates an issue, typically with the applied load, that requires investigation by someone competent.

All electrical boxes are locked with operatives having no access to the keys.

I do appreciate what you are seeing - operators leaving panels open so they can reset an overload each time a machine is required to operate, generally because there is one electrician or it is an outsourced activity.

This situation has two primary causes (over and above poor management) in that the equipment trip limits were incorrectly set at installation of the plant on a hair trigger or the operators are trying to avoid a long and generally unpleasant task removing some form of blockage or accumulation by "limping" the kit in to the next shift.

Personally I would start by ensuring the trips are correctly set and then move to maintenance procedures to address blockages and accumulation.

thanks 8 users thanked Roundtuit for this useful post.
peter gotch on 07/05/2025(UTC), Martin Fieldingt on 07/05/2025(UTC), Tom CMIOSH on 07/05/2025(UTC), Kate on 07/05/2025(UTC), peter gotch on 07/05/2025(UTC), Martin Fieldingt on 07/05/2025(UTC), Tom CMIOSH on 07/05/2025(UTC), Kate on 07/05/2025(UTC)
Tom CMIOSH  
#4 Posted : 07 May 2025 09:18:35(UTC)
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Tom CMIOSH

Thanks - agreed - and thanks for your comment.

peter gotch  
#5 Posted : 07 May 2025 11:46:43(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Tom

Whilst Roundtuit might have successfully read your mind, it would perhaps help if you gave some more detail about what is happening and concerning you.

Assuming it is an industrial (in the broadest sense) environment, before the EAW Regs 1989, the law was very clear - NO work on LIVE electrical equipment that was liable to cause "danger" except under VERY limited conditions. Same principles implicit in what EAW Regs require.

The title of your thread includes the words "Procedures & Training" but perhaps it is more about some people doing tasks they shouldn't be doing and possibly that, in turn, means that some plant is too easily accessible. When I started off as an H&S professional we talked about needing a "special tool" to open "fixed" guards - but HSE suggested that a "special tool" might be an allen key. These days allen keys are very easily obtainable by all and sundry.

Tom CMIOSH  
#6 Posted : 07 May 2025 14:18:17(UTC)
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Tom CMIOSH

The matter relates to - briefly:

1.  Remote work location with no ready access to competent electrical person.

2.  Poor maintenance - blockages etc.  - no assistance to operator.

3.  High Production demands - over continous period.

4.  Operators overiding electrical panel switch - accessing overloads within whilst panel remaiing LIVE - to allow some equipment to operate uninterupted (cannot see this justified!)

5.  If isolated by LOTOTO - proving "dead" would be via. "Try-Out" only - but then some could be tripped!

6.  Poor management control - history of custom / practice.

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Investigation by the business is continuing.

Awareness / training is important and a belief in absolute safety to ensure working DEAD.

I am aware that this issue is not unknown to others in our industy .... and a system is available to prevent working live / proving dead ..... looks good and will prevent over-riding safety systems.  The sytem won a safety award in our industry.

I will pm you a link as I cannot post link here.

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