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NickConstable  
#1 Posted : 25 June 2025 08:57:37(UTC)
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NickConstable

We have a retail outlet with car parking

A car was driven into the car park went through the markcation barrier and hit the car opposite.

The driver of the moving car reported it to our staff and then disappeared

The driver of the stationary car appeared some time later

The Police were called and are treating it as a hit and run

Do I report this as a dangerous occurance under RIDDOR?

Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 25 June 2025 09:09:44(UTC)
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Roundtuit

As a retail outlet I am going to speculate the roadways / car-park are covered by provisions of the Road Traffic Act, and as you have eluded the Police have become involved in a "hit & run" offence.

Not RIDDOR but keep records including staff statements in case the victims insurer gets in touch.

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Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 25 June 2025 09:09:44(UTC)
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Roundtuit

As a retail outlet I am going to speculate the roadways / car-park are covered by provisions of the Road Traffic Act, and as you have eluded the Police have become involved in a "hit & run" offence.

Not RIDDOR but keep records including staff statements in case the victims insurer gets in touch.

thanks 6 users thanked Roundtuit for this useful post.
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peter gotch  
#4 Posted : 25 June 2025 09:56:06(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Nick

I agree with Roundtuit's assumption that the Road Traffic Act probably applies and what that means in terms of the scope of what may or may not be RIDDOR reportable/recordable.

However, even if RTA didn't apply I can't see how this incident would be RIDDOR reportable in the absence of any apparent injury.

RIDDOR includes provision for some types of train and trolley bus collisions to count as Dangerous Occurrences, but not for typical road vehicles.

Kate  
#5 Posted : 25 June 2025 11:31:44(UTC)
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Kate

That something dangerous has occurred does not make that thing a Dangerous Occurrence under RIDDOR.

For that, it has to meet one of the specific criteria in RIDDOR.

Watkins101  
#6 Posted : 26 June 2025 12:13:34(UTC)
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Watkins101

We had a similar incident with a RTA, one of our staff was injured and off of work for more than 7 days so we reported it but does the fact it happened in a work vehicle make  any difference as to whether a no fault accident during work time is reportable or not. 

peter gotch  
#7 Posted : 26 June 2025 14:04:58(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Watkins

A bit of a deviation from the thread, but never mind.

First RIDDOR reportability is nothing to do with "fault".

Many incidents are reportable (or recordable) despite happening in circumstances where everyone has done all that they should have.

RIDDOR and its predecessors e.g. Sections 80-82 of the Factories Act 1961 is predominantly an administrative measure that gives the authorities information about types of work-related incidents which can 1. then be used to help collate statistics, though sometimes 2. the information also gives regulators information to help direct regulatory "contact" either to help get Inspectors used to processes and/or consider whether enforcement action might be merited. 

No 2. is rare as a tiny proportion of reported incidents end up being investigated by HSE or other enforcing authorities.

The decision of whether an incident is reportable or recordable should generally be made before anyone has any realistic idea as to whether anyone was at "fault". Determining that requires an investigation and any reportable incident should have usually been reported before it is likely that many investigations could be reasonably done to sufficient depth and decide which parties, if any, were at "fault". [This is all based on the presumption that investigations are done as they should be, often not the case!!]

When multiple reporting requirements for different work sectors were consolidated into a predecessor of RIDDOR 2014 a decision had to be made on what NOT to include within scope.

Hence, Regulation 14 of RIDDOR 2013 excludes MOST incidents involving work-related transportation from A to B, whilst at the same time bringing SOME such incidents back into scope.

The result is that for RTAs, usually (very broad terms!) these will not be within the scope of RIDDOR if they occur anywhere where the Road Traffic Act applies, i.e. on a "public road", unless as a result of loading/unloading of a vehicle or when any part of the "road" is being constructed or maintained. 

 The "road" includes both the carriageway, but also any verges etc AND all the utilities above and below PLUS any construction work on a building alongside the "road" is also within scope.

So, as example, HGV driver swerves off the road and collides with a house severely injuring driver or someone in the house. NOT within scope, despite this being a work-related accident.

UK national statistics when compared to most other countries should be treated with caution if trying to benchmark due to the doubts as to how many work-related transport accidents are included in any published statistics. HSE has in the past made guesses for the purposes of Eurostat and other international comparitors but the HSE guesses are often treated with much circumspection.

In contrast, if same HGV driver (or a member of the public in a private car) driving along the road is severely injured when the building alongside the road is being demolished and collapses on to the vehicle this falls within scope as would a severe injury to the demolition worker caught up in the mayhem ASSUMING that the relevant severity threshold(s) set in RIDDOR are met.

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