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achrn  
#1 Posted : 02 December 2025 15:50:00(UTC)
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achrn

Does anyone have views they feel like sharing on BS 8674:2025 'Built environment – Framework for competence of individual fire risk assessors – Code of practice'?

I note that BSI say it "supports the professionalization of fire risk assessors", which I'm less convinced than they are is necesarily a good thing in all circumstances, particularly low-risk premises such as offices.  It seems to me an unecesary step away from businesses being able to assess and manage their own risks, and while I hesitate to rant about red or blue tape, I'm not sure mandating someone who has made a career out of FRA is always necesary (especially requiring one that can "evidence ...  to develop personal goals, assist other assessors and advance the profession").

£258 for ten pages of content and ten pages of appendices also niggles (though I admit I didn't pay for it - I have access within a subscription), but BSs are never cheap.  Further, most of the content is actually commentary on the content - section 4 of the standard for example is one sentence of 22 words, with 180 words of commentary on those 22.

Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 02 December 2025 16:20:17(UTC)
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Roundtuit

BSI seem to have the ear of the regulator at the moment - this is one of several publications owing its origins to Grenfell and the subsequent Building Safety Act. Personally I doubt any of these new standards will actually deliver what is desparately needed because they lack the force of law and wide spread engagement.

It would be nice if British Standards Institution could be bothered with the Kings English "professionalization"

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Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 02 December 2025 16:20:17(UTC)
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Roundtuit

BSI seem to have the ear of the regulator at the moment - this is one of several publications owing its origins to Grenfell and the subsequent Building Safety Act. Personally I doubt any of these new standards will actually deliver what is desparately needed because they lack the force of law and wide spread engagement.

It would be nice if British Standards Institution could be bothered with the Kings English "professionalization"

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peter gotch on 03/12/2025(UTC), peter gotch on 03/12/2025(UTC)
HSSnail  
#4 Posted : 03 December 2025 10:46:52(UTC)
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HSSnail

im currently doing a course in FRA as its not an area I have much expertise in. Its with one of the well know big players, ans spoosedly meats the requirements of BS8674, cannot say any more as its rubbish - so many errors when they are talking about H&S i worry for us all.

Edited by user 03 December 2025 10:47:51(UTC)  | Reason: additional comment

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achrn on 03/12/2025(UTC)
achrn  
#5 Posted : 03 December 2025 11:00:40(UTC)
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achrn

Originally Posted by: HSSnail Go to Quoted Post

im currently doing a course in FRA as its not an area I have much expertise in. Its with one of the well know big players, ans spoosedly meats the requirements of BS8674, 


What set me off is currently deciding whether we need to put some people through a course to get a BS8674 tick, or give up and bring in consultant 'experts'.  I strongly suspect the latter will be the classic case of we tell the expert stuff, they write down what we told them, and charge us for it.

peter gotch  
#6 Posted : 03 December 2025 12:32:01(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi achrn

I think this is one of these issues where there can be no "one size fits all" approach.

At one end of the spectrum you have BSI spelling out lots of detail.

Towards the other end of the spectrum the IOSH Trainer Directory has a 2 day IOSH approved course on Fire Risk Assessment with no entry requirements for candidates.

So, someone could in theory leave school, attend a 2 day course and then think they are competent to do Fire Risk Assessments in all sorts of different types of environment.

...and if that fire risk assessor ends up in Court and is clearly not up to the task they would have the benefit of explaining that they have been on an IOSH approved course, which would provide the Institution with a interesting challenge to respond to.

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