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jay brogan  
#1 Posted : 22 March 2011 18:03:45(UTC)
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jay brogan

Hi,

Can anyone offer some advice please, a friend of mine wants to hold a charity barn dance in the local church hall, they plan to charge £5 per ticket and included in this ticket price is a hot pot supper, they have been told by a couple of the 'committee' that they 'cannot provide food because of health & safety'.

I am not familiar with the food industry, if that is what this would fall in to, is this the case if so what are the specifics and/or what would the need to do in order to be able to provide food?

Advice greatly appreciated!!

Jay
Berty  
#2 Posted : 22 March 2011 19:38:25(UTC)
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Berty

I would look at where they are going to cook the food, for fire control, escape or using gas appliances, after that it would be a matter of the cooks having up to date food hygeine qualifications. I can't think of anything further; but I suppose others can.
Mark Lovibond  
#3 Posted : 23 March 2011 00:47:10(UTC)
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Mark Lovibond

Hi Jay,

Found this on a Food Standard Agency website:

".......Do we need to follow food hygiene regulations?

If you run a club, or similar small group, and provide food to members at meetings or other events, then you might have to comply with food safety and hygiene legislation. This is still the case if you don't make a profit from the refreshments.

There isn't a straightforward answer to which clubs are covered by the regulations and which aren't, because this depends on the individual circumstances. If you serve refreshments to a few friends at home, then the regulations probably wouldn't apply, because food prepared at home for domestic purposes is exempt.

If, for example, your club is more formally organised, then food safety and hygiene legislation might apply to you. Local authorities are in the best position to decide whether the legislation applies to clubs, according to individual circumstances.

You might also need to register with your local authority if you meet frequently and provide food at the meetings.

One-off or annual events are unlikely to require registration or be covered by food hygiene regulations. But you must make sure the food you supply is safe to eat.

To find out more about what regulations apply to your situation, contact the environmental health department at your local authority......"


However, you say that the "committee" are concerned with health and safety issues. Perhaps they are concerned as suggested by the previous post, with the risks generated by ?untrained? persons using the kitchen facilities within the premises. I would suggest you enquire with the committee what H&S issues are preventing the food being prepared/served on the premises.

Is it feasible to prepare the hotpot in a domestic dwelling close to the location and transport the food in an insulated container to the venue while it is still hot?

Taylor  
#4 Posted : 23 March 2011 08:57:53(UTC)
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Taylor

Isn't it totally frustrating when people like this are all to ready to say 'Can't do because of health and safety'. This is where H&S really gets a bad name - and nothing to do with us professionals.

I'm afraid I don't have the detail to help you. I've been faced with this situation a couple of times - usually in relation to school events. When I get this 'can't do because of health and safety' - I always ask questions to get clarity - 'Just what is it about health and safety that stops us doing this'? Too often its used as an excuse not to bother !! I usually then go on to explain I'm a H&S manager and that indeed there is nothing that says we 'can't do' !!

I've attended a couple of charity barn dances at a local school. We had a pie and pea supper - so I know it can be done (and I assume it was all 'above board'). You don't say if you plan to cook the food on the premesis. The ones I attended had the food delivered from a 3rd party and just served up at the school.

Hope you manage to get sorted.
jay  
#5 Posted : 23 March 2011 10:41:49(UTC)
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jay

Why dont you ask the committee what is the basis for this? Is it the insurer (I presume there will/may be public liability insurance in place? who has put specific terms & conditions (such as having an audit trail that those cooking hold some qualifications?) or is it advice from someone or is it the fear of being sued should there be food poisoning?

I personally do not see any significant issues provided the "basic food hygiene aspects" are observed by those involved in cooking, storage, transportation and serving of the food.
PhilBeale  
#6 Posted : 23 March 2011 15:17:29(UTC)
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PhilBeale

Taylor wrote:
Isn't it totally frustrating when people like this are all to ready to say 'Can't do because of health and safety'. This is where H&S really gets a bad name - and nothing to do with us professionals.

I'm afraid I don't have the detail to help you.



if you don't have the detail then why criticise the committee members when they have concerns over H&S, committee members are just made up of willing volunteers from the local community they aren't trained health and safety professionals.

If your not willing to say it is or isn't Ok then why expect a committee of none H&S professionals to take on the responsibility. If 50 people went down with food poisioning then the committe may be seen as resposible even if they are not.

i would suggest contacting the local council or look at getting a catering company in and look at adding something on the price of the tickets.

Red
SteveL  
#7 Posted : 23 March 2011 16:40:27(UTC)
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SteveL

Jay

Contact your local councils EH office, they will give you all the information that you need to comply with Food Hygiene 2006, which will allow for the event to continue.
Taylor  
#8 Posted : 24 March 2011 09:54:47(UTC)
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Taylor

PhilBeale - I don't believe I am criticising the committe members because they have 'concerns' over H&S - I am criticising because of the 'can't do because of H&S' response. A stance that in my opinion gets H&S a really bad name.

I don't have the detail because I have never been involved in food safty issues - that does not stop me feeling frustrated when people say 'can't do'. I did offer some suggestions that it indeed can be done.

My expectation of such committee members would be to find out how it can be done rather than simply saying it can't be done.
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