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We have an issue at work of operatives accessing the roof of their vehicles to tie down materials.
The problem is our vehicles are only fitted with ladder rails, meaning ladders are the only item to be placed on the roof.
I have instructed directed sworn at individuals stating they must not place materials on the roof and if I catch them standing on the roof I will personally remove parts of their anatomy.
So bar putting razor wire around the roof and instigating disciplinary action any other ideas? to prevent stupid behaviour.
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How about eliminating the problem by supplying them with pick up trucks?
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Presumably they aren't doing this in preference to opening the van door and putting the kit inside. Are they being asked to transport stuff that's too big for the vehicle compartment and merely innovating a solution where none has been provided?
Sometimes "don't" isn't the answer, rather there is a problem that needs a solution?
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I am not hijacking the post but.
Ron thankyou I have been dealing with people all week who say you can't do that.
You are the first to uphold my beliefs in "Well how can we do it" I am a great believer in working together to do something not saying you can't do it.
Thanks Alex
Sorry MEden380
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Ron & Alex M
Thanks for your comments
Firstly I can only deal with what I have
1.A newly acquired fleet of vehicles purchased by a central purchasing department that took little notice of what was actually required (nearly there but cost effective came out top).
2 I wanted a drop down ladder racking system (not cost effective) got ladder bars instead.
3 We have arrangements with suppliers to delivery bulky items that can not be put inside vehicles (means operatives have to arrange their own deliveries.
4.Climbing on to the roof of a van is in breach of Working at Height Regs and damages roof of vehicle (not cost effective).
Even though I agree with your sentiment of "How can we do it" it needs to be a cost effective way and the most simple way is not to climb on the roof - I asked if you can help in how to prevent this in a nice way rather than wield a big stick.
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Meden380
Not wielding a big stick at all.
It is commonplace in the industry I work in for people to say you cant do that.
The people who say lets find a solution are sadly few and far between.
I find the best way to solve a problem is by everybody involved trying to come to a workable solution.
The users of the vans might have the solution to the problem.
Ta Alex
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MEden - maybe not feasible but can you not fix a bracket to the ladder racks that hangs down and allows ladder storage at the side of the van - like the glass carrying vans?
Just a thought
David
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Would trailers be a viable/affordable solution for the larger items - you could point out to your purchasing team that due to their refusal to purchase adequate fleet vehicles you need these to carry out the work safely.
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Would it be possible to have loading areas installed where edge protection is possible or apprecia being the most suitable.
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MEden
Not wishing to appear a fool here, but how do they secure the ladders in the rails if they are not allowed on the roof, I understand what you are saying about other materials and am still pondering.
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