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SBH  
#1 Posted : 14 April 2011 09:33:16(UTC)
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SBH

We have just had our dry powder fire extinguishers let off by a group of school kids - messing about - on our multi storey car park. CCTV is installed, but nothing recognisable recorded. The car park is of the normal build - open sided etc with protected staircases at both ends. My question is should I replace the extinguishers? Staff are not trained in their use, the hazards from fighting a fire of a fire are potentially greater than a fire occuring due to fuel being present, and a chance of explosions. My initial reaction is not to replace. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

SBH
David Bannister  
#2 Posted : 14 April 2011 09:46:25(UTC)
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David Bannister

If a fire was to occur, does the presence of extinguishers reduce the life safety risk? You will know the answer to that, particularly given your comments in your penultimate sentence.

The other consideration is that of property protection. In the event of a fire, what is the likelihood of a fire being discovered in its early stages and then someone successfuly using an extinguisher?

Does red suit your colour scheme?
Leslie3048  
#3 Posted : 14 April 2011 09:55:48(UTC)
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Leslie3048

Hi Do not think I would replace them. I assume that a Fire Risk Assessment has been completed?
Salvar  
#4 Posted : 14 April 2011 10:33:04(UTC)
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Salvar

Greetings, SBH.

This is an area that has had lots of study thrown at it.

Going by your description, I assume that you are looking at an open structure and (I'm guessing) that there aren't any specific, fire-rated, air handling systems.

There are a number of questions (construction material, how high are the ceilings, how many floors, density of parking, etc.) that you need to consider when drawing up your plan and policy. The easiest way would be to make sure that your attendants assist with the evacuation rather than getting involved with the fire-fighting - at least, you will have some incident control and liaison with the emergency services when they arrive rather than adding to the casualty count.

You will probably be required, if only by the insurance companies, to have extinguishers present. However, if your policy and training are consistent, I see no reason why you can't put extinguishers in a locked store to which the attendants have access (in theory) but your training states that they shouldn't use them.

High density, low-ceiling parking can lead to rapid fire spread because of the possibility of ceiling jets developing - even when the structure is open-sided. If this applies, I would suggest that your policy includes information to customers to move away from the scene further and faster than they be inclined to do, move everyone to a safe place (e.g. your stairways), contact staff and/or call emergency services, beware of running fuel fires (on the surface and getting into drains) - you know the list better than me.

The only consideration that may run against this idea is if there are places where your staff may have to fight their way to safety using extinguishers. If you eliminate such situations, the "no use" policy is consistent and can probably be justified in court.
firesafety101  
#5 Posted : 14 April 2011 16:10:27(UTC)
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firesafety101

If I parked my car in your car park and there was a vehicle on fire I would look for a fire extinguisher to use myself.

It would aid my means of escape, possibly extinguish or at least help control the fire, and protect other vehicles and the structure of the building.

It may even save a few lives.

That's my point of view - I have experience of using fire extinguishers but I would not recommend it for everyone.

Salvar  
#6 Posted : 14 April 2011 18:30:30(UTC)
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Salvar

Fair enough, Chris.

What happens later when lung damage becomes apparent? Are you (to paraphrase the TV ad) just going to say, it's fate or are you going to say, "I absolutely didn't deserve that" and then sue on the basis that the company didn't tell you not to use the extinguisher?

You might let it pass, but in these litigious times - and until the promised, "common sense" approach kicks in, would everyone else?

I'm might do the same as you; however, if the Fire Service is close by, circumstances would have to be pretty extreme for me to get involved.
David H  
#7 Posted : 15 April 2011 07:31:53(UTC)
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David H

I too am trained and well experienced of using extinguishers and other fire fighting equipment. BUT - if I parked my car in your carpark and there was a vehicle on fire I would look to remove myself and any other people in the area to a safe distance and raise the alarm. I would nnot be looking to get myself exposed,.
Let it burn I say as long as everyone is safe.

If in my work area where fire could trap people then I would tackle the fire IAW my training.

SBH - do you not have a sprinkler system? I also agree with you - I would not replace as it may tempt some people to imitate Red Adair!

David
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