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Bladon31779  
#1 Posted : 18 April 2011 13:46:48(UTC)
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Bladon31779

I work in the Plastics Industry as an H&S Manager and we presently handle 95% of our Raw Materials in 25kg bags within our process . The guidelines under the Manual Handling Operations Regulations ACOP specify that under figure 22 that men should lift no more than 25kg at the trunk and that women can lift no more than 16kg at the truck . However we employ both men and women for handling 25kg bags at low frequency with electronic handling devices for moving pallets around . We are continuously striving to improve our process , but does anybody have experiences of realistically managing the handling of 25kg bags and is it impractical to ask that men & women handle 25kg bags on an infrequent basis ie 1 bag an hour or a maximum of 10 bags in an 8 hour shift . I would be grateful for any advice on this matter.
Leslie3048  
#2 Posted : 18 April 2011 14:03:50(UTC)
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Leslie3048

25kg is only a guide. Whether or not people can lift that will depend on numerous factors. i.e Height of the person, gender, (are they pregnant), general health of the person, how far they have to carry the item, the environment they are in etc. You will need to complete a Manual Handling risk assessmnet using, may I suggest, PETER' (Person, Environment, Task, Equipment, (available), Record). Firstly Is there a need for anyone to lift the bag? Can you use lifting equipment? Remember the costs of accident to your company when assessing the risk of someone being injured whilst lifting so it may be cheaper in the long run to use lifting equipment rather that getting a person to lift the bags.
SP900308  
#3 Posted : 18 April 2011 14:57:34(UTC)
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SP900308

Leslie, With all due respect - hopefully Bladon (being a H&S Manager) would understand the Manual Handling assessment side of things! Bladon, In practical terms, could this process be a 'two person' activity?
MB1  
#4 Posted : 18 April 2011 15:01:40(UTC)
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MB1

Bladon, Would you consider the reasoning of 'reasonably practical' to looking at manual handling aid to remove/reduce the risks related to lifting these bags at the rate of 1 per hour .. or so? SP has also touched on a RP approach with use of 2 people!
Fletcher  
#5 Posted : 18 April 2011 15:04:39(UTC)
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Fletcher

I would go back to basics and see if there is any way of eliminating or reducing the need to manually lift the bags. Can you engineer a way out of the problem? Can you get smaller bags from your supplier? 10 lifts in an 8 hour shift is 10 times where something could go wrong. At my last company we had a process that required 25kg bags to be split and contents loaded onto a conveyor belt, this was done by stevedores who are used to heavy physical work but we rigged up a system (through our engineers) where pallet loads of bags were placed so that all that was required was pulling onto a splitting area. The only lifting then was the non split end of the supported bag to get the contents out. We were a highly unionised environment and this system improved productivity, met with the approval of the workforce/union/management so for a few hundred pounds we had a win win situation. Take Care
Haines40637  
#6 Posted : 18 April 2011 15:44:34(UTC)
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Haines40637

Bladon, I presume you cant go for smaller bags, 2 person lift etc all the obvious things in RA process! Have a look at this link to vacuum lifting aid for similar bags in pharmaceutical industry http://in.schmalz.com/anwendungen/01243/ Avoids any significant manual handling (watch video looks so simple you can lift one-handed!) and may remove need for other manual handling aids if installed throughout the workplace at key points Also called Unimove system in USA - might be expensive but pay back through increased throughput/productivity, less injuries etc
firesafety101  
#7 Posted : 18 April 2011 16:37:30(UTC)
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firesafety101

Even the construction industry has managed to reduce the size of bags so why can't the Plastics industry?
Jim Tassell  
#8 Posted : 18 April 2011 20:51:39(UTC)
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Jim Tassell

I thought the construction industry reduced the sack size to 25Kg so you could get one under each arm? Seriously though, most comments seem to point to the same conclusion: if challenged, could you say, hand on heart, that you have looked at sack trucks/conveyors/vacuum lifters/etc... and found good engineering reasons to reject them all? That's what you will need if there's a claim. By the way, it's well worth looking at vacuum lifters; if they can be made to work on sites lifting paving slabs then they are past the "nice idea but..." stage. I've found it helpful to sit down with a Slingsbys catalogue (or K&K or... other industrial products catalogues are available) and the people actually involved as a sort of brainstorming session. It's surprising what can come out and is a great bit of worker involvement. And I'm not even an ergonomist! Jim
Tarasafety  
#9 Posted : 18 April 2011 21:05:10(UTC)
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Tarasafety

Hi Bladon, I too worked in the plastics industry (powdered lead and calcium zinc bags), we had this issue too. Firstly, 25kg is only a guide, no one can tell you what you can lift. Control measure we installed were - Two person lift - job rotation, reducing frequency to lifts - installed a table that kept the top level of bags at waist height. - Yearly refresher training in very specific manual handling tasks. - introduction of an extra 10 minute break after 6 hours of work. We enquired about having the bags delivered in 20kg bags, the best answer we got from suppliers was - that will increase the amount of bags we've to use. hope this is of help
Garfield Esq  
#10 Posted : 19 April 2011 07:04:29(UTC)
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Garfield Esq

Hi, Has there been an incident, near-miss or report from OHP that suggests there is a problem? Perhaps at this time you have reduced risks to ALARP. Keep monitoring and engage with the workforce on this - they will be of more use than us lot! GC
teh_boy  
#11 Posted : 19 April 2011 08:03:23(UTC)
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teh_boy

Hi all Wasn't going to reply but here goes :) 1) Manual handling filter figures quoted give a guideline figure for when manual handling RA is required. Below these figures for tasks that don't carry other risk factors, further RA MAY NOT be required. The idea of this is to allow us to focus on real risk (such as 25kg sacks) and not waste time risk assessing our coffee cups :) 2) I have seen similar issue on chemical plant. Capex project looked to eliminate by installation of an automated packing m/c. During in a inspection by HSE this was seen as OK but inspector asked what we were doing today, the measures quoted by Tarasafety had to implimented ASAP to avoid improvment notice! Also trialed a scissor lift to ensure all lifts waist height, however this comes with it's own risks and must be risk assessed. 3) In my current job lots of managers rely on dual lift as a control, this is very difficult to police. Follow the hirachy and show clearly why you have stopped where you do. Good luck
Leslie3048  
#12 Posted : 19 April 2011 12:17:33(UTC)
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Leslie3048

SP. Only trying to help! Les
SP900308  
#13 Posted : 19 April 2011 12:55:28(UTC)
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SP900308

Bladon, Has your company adopted the 'lean manufacturing' approach? Obviously a more costly approach, however, if the layout of the shop floor could be tweaked to make the 'whole' operation more efficient, vast savings are a realistic outcome (including probably less handling of materials?). This is, however a long term approach (if not already implemented)! Les, hence - 'with all due respect!'
angel13  
#14 Posted : 20 April 2011 11:43:34(UTC)
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angel13

Bladon31779 wrote:
I work in the Plastics Industry as an H&S Manager and we presently handle 95% of our Raw Materials in 25kg bags within our process . The guidelines under the Manual Handling Operations Regulations ACOP specify that under figure 22 that men should lift no more than 25kg at the trunk and that women can lift no more than 16kg at the truck . However we employ both men and women for handling 25kg bags at low frequency with electronic handling devices for moving pallets around . We are continuously striving to improve our process , but does anybody have experiences of realistically managing the handling of 25kg bags and is it impractical to ask that men & women handle 25kg bags on an infrequent basis ie 1 bag an hour or a maximum of 10 bags in an 8 hour shift . I would be grateful for any advice on this matter.
Ellwood  
#15 Posted : 20 April 2011 12:42:09(UTC)
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Ellwood

Bladon, I previously worked in plastic extruding and all the extruders were top hopper fed. I had the same issue that suppliers would only supply granules in 25kg bags. The company was an SME and could not afford converting the extruders to take powder so we could use a vacuum delivery system. They could also not afford individual lifting systems for the hoppers, so I had a platform installed linking all the hoppers. The FLT could load the bags on to the platform and by using sack trucks the bags could be moved almost to the hopper. By the hopper I had a small roller conveyor so the bags could be rolled (flat) to the hopper and cut, the contents could then run into the hopper. I had scissors on a cord attached by each hopper as I found that using a box cutting knife (small blade for safety) caused bits of the bag to fall in the hopper which could block the first Die. Hope this is of some help
angel13  
#16 Posted : 20 April 2011 13:08:49(UTC)
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angel13

Let try posting again. I am also in the plastic industry and we have our raw material delivered in 25kg sacks, we have between 24 -30 tons of material delivered each month. There is nothing we can do to change the way it is delivered or packed and sadly that is just the way they do it so will not change. We have all delivers dropped in the car park and have a team of staff who split the weight to 1/2 ton and stack height which with mechanical aids make it much easier for staff to move. We have done risk assessments and training, but we do not have the space for all the over head gantry style equipment and it would be useless in the car park, so we monitor the staff and have weekly reminders about safe lifting. I am pleased to say in the 10 years I have been working here we have not had any issues. We tend not to use female staff split the loads but that is based in height our staff are petite but if asked they are happy to help. I think a lot of this is common sense and good communication with your staff on their ideas and abilities to do the job. .
saifakbar  
#17 Posted : 20 April 2011 13:59:47(UTC)
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saifakbar

I had a similar situation but resolved by reducing the weight from 25 Kg to 10 kg which resolved our all safety issues. you should think about it. Regards saif
Bladon31779  
#18 Posted : 21 April 2011 14:52:56(UTC)
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Bladon31779

Thank you to all your responses to my Issue. We have completed manual handling assessments and have implemented the lean manufacturing principles in the area. All our staff have had manual handling training and we are now implementing monthly toolbox talks for our employees. We have looked at feeding the large use pigments directly into our colour room , but TIO2 is difficult to feed via a vacumat . We have looked at the regular catalogues and hi lift pump with a stair climber would help , but not resolve the issue. We visited a Palamatic Customer for air suction lifting yesterday and for the 18 bags a day an investment in £6000 is difficult to justify in these harsh economic times. We do use external Silo feeds for our main PVC supplies into our mixers. We will ask the question to our TIO2 supplier for reducing down to 10kg bags , but as Tarasafety stated any change in bags size will increase the number of bags used , the packaging as well as the cost of the raw material . The two person lift option will be investigated , but based upon existing manning will be difficult. As a temporary measure we have instructed our operators to provide 25kg bags to our colourist ( female) on a regular basis. Thank you for all your responses , which I have found very useful.
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