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Ken Slack  
#1 Posted : 10 May 2011 15:58:59(UTC)
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Ken Slack

Hi all,

I have been approached for advice by my landlord who is wondering if there is any regulations for the amount of 5mph signs required in the car park.

I have suggested that any requirement, including suitable amounts should be part of a risk assessment. IMHO I think that 1 sign on the way in and 1 on the way out should suffice on this occasion.

Any advice?
Blue  
#2 Posted : 10 May 2011 16:03:59(UTC)
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Blue

I don't think any amount of signage would encourage anyone to try and drive at 5mph for too long.

If you risk assess it and decide 2 signs is sufficient then that's ok for you. You may want to consider extra's if it's a really large car park and reminders are required.
Ken Slack  
#3 Posted : 10 May 2011 16:10:39(UTC)
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Ken Slack

Blue wrote:
I don't think any amount of signage would encourage anyone to try and drive at 5mph for too long.

If you risk assess it and decide 2 signs is sufficient then that's ok for you. You may want to consider extra's if it's a really large car park and reminders are required.


Cheers Blue, just what I was thinking...
Safety Smurf  
#4 Posted : 10 May 2011 16:21:37(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Why would you want one on the way out?
bilbo  
#5 Posted : 10 May 2011 16:34:25(UTC)
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bilbo

Personally I think 5mph is a totally unrealistic target. Modern vehicles are practically incapable of travelling at such speeds and do not even have this registered on the speedometer (which usually start registering around 10mph). As to how many signs - this will depend totally on the size/area to be controlled and the types and number of vehicles using the site. Are there other measures also in place eg traffic calming, sleeping policemen etc as these will also have bearing.
jay  
#6 Posted : 10 May 2011 18:04:09(UTC)
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jay

Monitoring/enforcing a maximum 5 mph policy will be a nightmare. 15 mph limit is reasonable.

The number and location of such signage would depend upon the traffic flow/layout and site characteristics and also the type of drivers. If most/all of the drivers are regular employees, less signage may be adequate compared to a situation when you get significant number of visitors. I have not come across any prescriptive criteria.
majorbloodnok  
#7 Posted : 11 May 2011 07:57:34(UTC)
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majorbloodnok

You can walk faster than 5mph....although my signs read the same. I treat it as guidance and a 'keep your speed to a minimum' message. If it is a more realistic 15mph, you'll struggle to enforce that either (I'm assuming you don't measure speed?).
bod212  
#8 Posted : 11 May 2011 08:41:04(UTC)
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bod212

I know this is more an enforcement issue, but, delivery drivers are notoriously difficult to get drive within the speed limit on site. The site I work on have had to take action, i.e. banning them from site, but it does not/ is not going to deter something that is inherent in that particular occupation. The site limit is 10mph. I can't imagine anyone driving at/ complying with 5mph. Good luck with that.
declangibney  
#9 Posted : 11 May 2011 09:08:20(UTC)
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declangibney

AS I'm sure you are aware, signs alone are almost useless in this case. In the better car parks, segregated pedestrian walkways (footpaths or markings), one way systems, adequate lighting, sleeping policemen and seperate entrance/exit for pedestrians are the key to pedestrian safety, with signage being almost incidental. I know this is stating the obvious but this is the advice to give your landlord, not that x number of signs is necessary.
A Kurdziel  
#10 Posted : 11 May 2011 09:50:11(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

As has been said what is the point of a 5 mph speed limit if you cannot enforce it. Signs should be along the lines of 'SLOW' and 'CARE PEDESTRAINS' etc. You will need to back this up with some Agitprop remind people to drive carefully on site and if they don't some sort of sanctions will be applied, such as making them park off-site.
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