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redken  
#1 Posted : 22 May 2011 13:55:23(UTC)
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redken

Reading this in the HSE COMAH website:
"Has the Operator a policy on risk assessment?

This is an important point because the Operator must demonstrate a risk-based approach to his activities and to the production of the safety report."

Made me think, what is a non risk based approach?
chris42  
#2 Posted : 22 May 2011 18:43:09(UTC)
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chris42

I don't think that's what it is suggesting. I think it is asking is there an overriding policy - ie something that states they will do a review, change or create a risk assessment when work practices change or they buy some new equipment etc. You can have RA's and do all the correct things, but without a policy of intent (no formal management system procedures / policy's).

Mind you I also think there are one or two working practices out there that have never been near a risk assessment. I guess you could call them a non risk based approach - based on hope or ignorance !
Ron Hunter  
#3 Posted : 23 May 2011 09:25:12(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Perhaps more accurate to describe these as "arrangements" for managing risk assessment though?
redken  
#4 Posted : 23 May 2011 11:15:55(UTC)
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redken

I am keen to see a dsicussion on this, so let me throw in this example: I would say that Portable Appliance Testing is an example of a non risk based approach!
andybz  
#5 Posted : 23 May 2011 11:39:45(UTC)
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andybz

I think the text you quote reflects problems from the early days of COMAH. What companies tended to do was write everything they knew about their hazards, operations, controls etc. Then try to claim they were doing everything possible to manage their risks.

What HSE actually want is reassurance that you understand your risks and actually implement controls that are proportionate. The difficulty is that when talking about major accidents we need to consider high consequence low frequency events. Most companies have very little experience of these and so find it difficult to understand the risk.

Your example of PAT testing is not relevant to COMAH but can still act as a useful illustration. If you look at the guidance you will see that a risk based approach is proposed (http://www.hse.gov.uk/PUBNS/indg236.pdf). However, many companies tend to think blanket rules to test everything on a fixed frequency must be better. If that proves to be practical I guess it is acceptable, but it may mean that no one is actually thinking about risks for specific items of equipment.
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