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chris42  
#1 Posted : 26 May 2011 18:29:59(UTC)
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chris42

IOSH home page story. A father of nine was crushed to death when part of a building fell on him in central London, a court heard.
The person responsible was only fined £160k for this; it does not seem anywhere near enough. If this didn’t warrant a custodial sentence what does. They didn’t even call an ambulance.

Is this just me or do others feel some of the recent punishments seen lenient.
Bob Shillabeer  
#2 Posted : 26 May 2011 19:29:32(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

What is the relevance of him being the father of nine? A death is always atragic event. The point of this is someone died because of someone else not doing what he should have done. The level of the fine will always be emotive and generally not high enough. However, the judge is the sole deciding factor in this and he has to work within the law. Was the guilty party a single operator or part of a bigger company? If a single person 160k is quite high in its own right but a compamy it can be rather small. It depends on the whole picture not just five lines on a web page.
frankc  
#3 Posted : 26 May 2011 20:51:59(UTC)
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frankc

http://www.bbc.co.uk/new...-england-london-13526535

I agree a custodial sentence was warranted, regardless of the number of children left without a father. The Old Bailey heard that Aftab (the property developer) did not put in proper safety features.

That was despite advice from structural engineers.

Judge Paul Worsley said: "This tragedy was wholly avoidable. It is the fault of Mr Aftab and it will be on his conscience."

Wholly avoidable, not acting on advice but 'gets away' with a £160k pay off.



RayRapp  
#4 Posted : 26 May 2011 20:58:00(UTC)
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RayRapp

Just checked out the IOSH home page but could not see the article. Without reading the facts it is difficult to comment on the sanction. Meanwhile, I noticed another story where a land owner had been given a nine month custodial sentence for failing to comply with Enforcement Notices - nobody was even hurt! The disparity with sanctions between different cases never ceases to amaze me. I recall a fatality not so long ago where the company were only fined £1 because they had gone into administration.
Ian A-H  
#5 Posted : 27 May 2011 10:30:08(UTC)
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Ian  A-H

What sickens me is the level of fines imposed by industry regulators for misdemeanours:

GMTV fined £2 MILLION by Ofcom for their dodgy premium rate phone-ins.

Thames Water fined £12.5 MILLION for telling porkies to Ofwat.

Killing someone at work? A few thousand.

It beggars belief.

RayRapp  
#6 Posted : 27 May 2011 10:53:39(UTC)
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RayRapp

Yes, it does beggar belief. My wife's company were fined a £million plus by the FSA for a discrepancy, even though they had reported the error voluntary! It is one of the reasons health and safety has no respect in this country because the sanctions are so pitiful.
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