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Duggan37259  
#1 Posted : 01 June 2011 09:46:14(UTC)
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Duggan37259

Hello, I have a query on a safety term in relation to over emphasising safety on simple tasks and neglecting more critical complex activities as they are more difficult to understand e.g. there may be more procedures/ regulations in place for washing floors or lifting heavy equipment and less for controlling a nuclear plant. Does anyone know the term for this? (Apologies for the poor explanation) Thanks
MaxPayne  
#2 Posted : 01 June 2011 09:58:18(UTC)
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MaxPayne

Surely your risk assessment processes would identify and prioritise the hazards
Jane Blunt  
#3 Posted : 01 June 2011 10:03:09(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

I can understand what you mean - it is the safety equivalent of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, or burying ones head in the sand. I cannot think of a term for it however (except incompetence!).
Safety Smurf  
#4 Posted : 01 June 2011 10:10:22(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

If it's what I think it is it's a physcological term but I can't remember what it is. I think it's got the word 'avoidance' in it. Basically it's going hammer and tongs at something trivial to avoid having to confront a real issue. Those afflicted don't usually recognise they are doing it.
walker  
#5 Posted : 01 June 2011 10:16:52(UTC)
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walker

I might be barking up the wrong tree but is this what you mean- “Availability Heuristic” – a fancy scientific way of saying that people judge events as more likely if they can easily conjure up images of them occurring, regardless of the real odds see this very interesting site: http://www.statslab.cam....piegelhalter/davids.html
Jane Blunt  
#6 Posted : 01 June 2011 10:19:25(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

Safety Smurf wrote:
If it's what I think it is it's a physcological term but I can't remember what it is. I think it's got the word 'avoidance' in it. Basically it's going hammer and tongs at something trivial to avoid having to confront a real issue. Those afflicted don't usually recognise they are doing it.
This is describing something reminiscent of 'displacement activity'.
MaxPayne  
#7 Posted : 01 June 2011 10:37:26(UTC)
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MaxPayne

Jane Blunt wrote:
Basically it's going hammer and tongs at something trivial to avoid having to confront a real issue. Those afflicted don't usually recognise they are doing it.
Or you could just say those people are being lazy, incompetant and unprofessional.
Safety Smurf  
#8 Posted : 01 June 2011 10:40:16(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Jane Blunt wrote:
Safety Smurf wrote:
If it's what I think it is it's a physcological term but I can't remember what it is. I think it's got the word 'avoidance' in it. Basically it's going hammer and tongs at something trivial to avoid having to confront a real issue. Those afflicted don't usually recognise they are doing it.
This is describing something reminiscent of 'displacement activity'.
That's the one I was looking for. :-)
Andrew W Walker  
#9 Posted : 01 June 2011 10:41:33(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

Jane Blunt wrote:
quote] This is describing something reminiscent of 'displacement activity'.
Thanks Jane, very useful indeed! Andy
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#10 Posted : 01 June 2011 11:15:56(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

Not seeing the wood for the trees. Hapens a lot, with much evidence of it on here too.
DNW  
#11 Posted : 02 June 2011 11:45:24(UTC)
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DNW

Decision Aversion: The tendency to avoid decision making; the tougher the decision, the greater the likelihood of decision aversion.
RayRapp  
#12 Posted : 02 June 2011 12:48:20(UTC)
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RayRapp

You could call it 'pedantry' or some derivative thereof - not so uncommon these days.
peter gotch  
#13 Posted : 02 June 2011 13:04:23(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Duggan It's one of the common outcomes of excessive belief in the Heinrich/Bird triangle and numerical risk matrices (e.g. 5x5). Many accidents at the bottom of the triangle are not precursors of a serious accident. For example, I usually park on a narrow street where there is only just enough room to get another vehicle between two lines of parked cars. Hence park as close as possible to high kerb. Inevitably hit it occasionally. Not a precursor of e.g. whiplash. Conversely, if they're filming Taggart with a production vehicle pointing down the hill in icy conditions, and it slides down totally 9 cars (it happened) - this is very much a precursor to a fatal. Both methodologies very poor at dealing with the low probability high consequence incident. On a 5x5 matrix the risk in Japan would come out at 1 x 5 = "low" risk. Similar would apply to e.g. Texas City and Buncefield explosions.
Canopener  
#14 Posted : 02 June 2011 13:40:59(UTC)
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Canopener

It looks like you have the terminology that you were looking for. I am sure that we have all come across it, and I have the essence of what you are alluding to listed as one of my 7 deadly sins "Getting bogged down in trivia. Creative people (you know who you are!) can create endless black holes or ‘what ifs’ but they can’t see or sense the 10 - ton weight dangling on a piece of frayed string above their head!" Arguably, the subject of the original post is really what the HSE sensible risk debate is trying to 'get at'. Deal with the real risks. In my latter years I have tried to concentrate my efforts on those risks that I believe are going to seriously injure, maim, disable or kill people. I also thought Peter makes an interesting observation re Heinrich.
A Kurdziel  
#15 Posted : 02 June 2011 14:12:04(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

The Esso Longford gas explosion, in Victoria, Australia in 1998 which caused the deaths of two workers at the company’s plant and disrupted the supply of gas for millions of residents in Victoria for weeks afterwards was caused in part by (Quote from the Royal Commission) “a “safety culture" was more oriented towards preventing lost time due to accidents or injuries, rather than protection of workers and their health.” So again an example of not seeing the wood for the trees. A word for this? Barking up the wrong tree? ( i know that's 4 words)
TomDoyle  
#16 Posted : 03 June 2011 00:15:17(UTC)
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TomDoyle

Hi Duggan, It sounds as if you are describing the lack of consideration of behaviour based on the levels within the cognitive domain. This consideration is required in order to ensure that the anticipated behaviour will actually have the desired effect on risk. Do a search for "Bloom's Taxonomy" you will find where the starts. If you need a bit more info PM me. I'd be glad to help you out. Cheers, Tom Doyle Industrial Safety Integration
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