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Graham  
#1 Posted : 01 June 2011 10:58:12(UTC)
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Graham

Hi I've been considering this scenario: Employee starts work at 9am in building A. At 11am they walk across London for about 15 mins to building B. They have an accident, they're off work for three days, therefore RIDDOR reportable, without a doubt. But - do we have a risk assessment in place for this - No. Do we have any controls in place - No. Are we doing all that is Reasonably Practicable? That's the $64,000 question. Send all staff on a 'Green Cross Code' course? Get them to sign a disclaimer? Put it down as a residual risk and live with it? What changes if the person is riding the bike they use to get to work on? What if they use one of London's Barclays' bikes? Risk assessments - No (should we have?), Controls - No (like what?). Again is it RP to insist on helmets, Cycling proficiency certificates? One without the other seems arbitrary to me. Any thoughts gratefully received. Graham
Reed21854  
#2 Posted : 01 June 2011 11:11:24(UTC)
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Reed21854

Mmmm ... I'm not sure many companies would have a risk assessment for this type of scenario. Certainly we have occupational driving risk assessments but when staff in London are walking to a site or using the tube and walking we don't have an assessment for this and I'm not sure what it would say if we did! It would probably concentrate more on personal safety issues rather than anything else. I'll be interested to see what other replies you get.
MaxPayne  
#3 Posted : 01 June 2011 11:11:35(UTC)
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MaxPayne

Tricky one... I'd separate the two issues; if they're walking then is it reasonable to assume that a sensible adult would know how to cross a road safely? I think I'd argue that they should. What else can you reasonably do? Give them a hi-vis jacket? That would be a tad OTT don't you think? If they're cycling, do you then think it sensible to have a company policy covering that event? You might want to do something which makes sure the bike is roadworthy and we have a "bike doctor" who comes on-site and gives the bikes a free inspection; obviously anything found like loose bearings or the like are cost to the owner or they can choose to repair themselves. JHelemet policy....given London traffic I'd suggest this would be sensible advice. Life outside the office is full of risk, but nobody thinks twice about it at lunchtime when they're out grabbing a sandwich and a coffee...additional hazard alert - hot liquids.
Bob Shillabeer  
#4 Posted : 01 June 2011 11:13:09(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

We had a similar situation at the place I worked. The best way is to stipulate how they get from one office to the other. I suggest you specify what form of transport is preferable, say a bus or walking. Taxis could be used in rare occassions such as inclement weather, but bus is better as it would reduce the time taken and the risks would be reduced slightly. However you choose to do it you will need to control the risk element to that that they would normally face when travelling between home and work. General risk is outside your direct control but you can reduce the exposure.
David Bannister  
#5 Posted : 01 June 2011 11:25:54(UTC)
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David Bannister

Hi Graham, my first thought was that walking on a city street is an everyday human activity. Does it present a significant risk of harm? Not if done during normal daytime working hours on well populated streets, not carrying or displaying obvious valuable items. Therefore no requirement for recording the findings of a risk assessment. Then you introduce cycling in to the equation. If you were providing a motor vehicle then there have been very many threads on here suggesting the size, colour and height of the hoops you should be jumping through. Is the cycyling activity much different to driving? Perhaps greater exposure to the individual but less to other parties. As a Londoner you are better placed to assess the risks than all those working in better places but it seems a bit OTT to me to be thinking about certifying people to use their own bikes! As for disclaimers - what is it you are asking them to sign up to? "I certify I won't have an accident whilst on my bike, and if I do I won't sue you." At least you will not run short of toilet paper as that's about all the disclaimer will be worth.
Ron Hunter  
#6 Posted : 01 June 2011 15:26:44(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

You haven't shared the nature of the accident. If it didn't arise out of or in connection with work or work activity, then it isn't reportable. It doesn't matter whether the person is considered as "at work". (Hopefully, the majority of us won't have swamped RIDDOR with all those injuries arising to peripatetic workers during that last spell of severe winter weather) The purpose of RIDDOR is to gather information and statistics to inform future enforcement strategy and industry guidance - not provide us with conundrum. Does your imagined scenario "fit" any work-related event (such as stuff4blokes suggests)?
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