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Steve Emery  
#1 Posted : 08 June 2011 16:07:16(UTC)
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Steve Emery

I received a combined honours degree in Health and Safety Management and Business Administration from Aston University and have since completed an Open University post graduate SHE management course and obtained my Chartered Membership. I have been keeping my eye on the job market, but see that all job advertisements require a NEBOSH certificate/diploma in Health and Safety. I do not know if my degree and the NEBOSH diploma are comparable or if my job applications would be dismissed off hand as I do not have a NEBOSH diploma. Can anyone shed some light on this please?
DNW  
#2 Posted : 08 June 2011 16:22:02(UTC)
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DNW

If any prospective employer is too blinkered to recognise your charetered status regardless of what route you took then maybe they're not really up to your standard !! My personal view of course and I am doing the Nebosh route. Generally Nebosh is requested more than any other and different employers have different views, usually based only on limited knowledge of the varying course content, but I stand by my intial statement.
Mudmuppet  
#3 Posted : 08 June 2011 17:40:44(UTC)
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Mudmuppet

In this climate keep trying and adjust your CV to meet the specific requirements of the job that you are applying for. Being a Chartered Member of IOSH should set you up well, never mind punishing yourself about qualification routes.
Steve Sedgwick  
#4 Posted : 08 June 2011 20:05:55(UTC)
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Steve Sedgwick

I recently attend a branch meeting to see a presentation entitled "Legal Update" delivered by a Solicitor. This was an excellent presentation covering the major reforms planned to reduce the burden of HS legislation on industry following the Young Report. The HSE budget to be cut by a 1/3 so reducing the number of inspections and inspectors also proposals to focus inspections on the Hazardous industries eg molten metal, chemical ie COMAH sites and Nuclear. Major changes to HS Laws will reduce the burden by elimination of some industry specific legislation that can be effectively covered by general legislation. Low risk or less hazardous industries will have very few interventions. Logically this has to have a knock on effect to other HS Careers The Solicitors view was that only the higher hazard industries would need a HS Practitioner and these would be at degree level; the less hazardous industries only needing a technician assisting with the HS basic duties. His view was that we can expect a 50% reduction in HS careers in the future. Go for a degree. Steve
railwaybuff  
#5 Posted : 09 June 2011 13:25:25(UTC)
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railwaybuff

To the best of my knowledge the current NEBOSH Diploma is a level 6 qualification and is equivalent to a degree. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong!! For more info, see the link below. "Go for a degree", -the phrase "go for a degree or a NEBOSH diploma" may be more appropriate. Or better still....don't bother! with a 50% reduction in H&S careers we're all stuffed. Instead be a tree surgeon. http://www.courtauld.ac....rammes/documents/NQF.pdf ....For more info, see table on the second page but caution applies -I haven't checked the legitimacy of this source.
jwk  
#6 Posted : 10 June 2011 10:42:57(UTC)
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jwk

I think your solicitor needs a think a bit harder. Even if the government manages to withdraw protection from workers (in just the same way that it's managed to 'reform' the NHS, introduce plea-bargaining & sell off the forests and national nature reserves) in 'low hazard' industries this won't stop the courts from prosecuting employers for workplace deaths and serious injuries. As has been pointed out, any UK review also can't easily rescind EU legislation (MHSW, MHOR, PUWER etc etc), and I don't know about you, but me and my team have enough work on with just the RRFSO, let alone evrything else, and nobody's talking about reducing fire officers inspections. Don't take up the tree surgery yer, John
Steve Sedgwick  
#7 Posted : 10 June 2011 16:30:19(UTC)
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Steve Sedgwick

We will know more about the future changes in the HS Arena when professor Lofstedt publishes his report in October. I understand the point about EU Legislation, and no we cannot rescind it, but the review will consider if the UK has "Gold Plated" it implementation here so do not assume that this cannot be touched. Not all change is bad. I am pleased that you are doing well out of the RRFSO. Steve
MarcusB  
#8 Posted : 13 June 2011 09:58:57(UTC)
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MarcusB

Railwaybuff wrote:
To the best of my knowledge the current NEBOSH Diploma is a level 6 qualification and is equivalent to a degree. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong!! For more info, see the link below.
Just a minor point on this, the NEBOSH diploma is the equivalent level as a degree but is not the equivalent of a degree.
sheman  
#9 Posted : 13 June 2011 14:48:04(UTC)
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sheman

Steve. I am currently looking for a H&S trainer who can competently deliver up to and including NEBOSH courses. Experience of what is commonly referred to as 'NEBOSH Speak' (those who have been there will know!!!) is a distinct advantage. In saying this, I have looked at a number of NEBOSH candidates who have been able to pass exams because they have a brilliant memory but do not have the relevant experience or capability to be able to pass on their knowledge in an interesting and informative way. I agree with Marcus in that the two qualifications cannot be directly compared as they can differ significantly in both content and context and a good employer should be aware of what qualifications are out there and how they would relate to their own specific needs - sometimes, however, they don't even know what NEBOSH stands for so don't get too disheartened and get your CV out there - you never know!
Scusack  
#10 Posted : 16 June 2011 10:23:41(UTC)
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Scusack

I regularly employ H&S professionals from NEBOSH Certificate level up to Masters. What I am looking for, first and foremost, is the right attitude, experience and team fit. If the job role is at an entry level I will look for a TechIOSH level qualification, which could be via NVQ, NEBOSH or British Safety Council. At Practitioner level I might specify CMIOSH level, but will consider people with NVQ, Diploma or Degree at the correct level. I am looking for someone who is educated to the correct standard regardless of route. If they are part-qualified or on the way to achieving their qualification they may get through to the next round if their other characteristics described at the beginning are there. I get very irritated when people with NEBOSH Certificates apply for jobs that are advertised at Diploma/Degree level. So in brief, as a major employer of H&S practitioners I don't get too bothered about the diploma/degree/NVQ argument. It's an indicator but not the sole criterion.
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