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firesafety101  
#1 Posted : 16 June 2011 21:29:34(UTC)
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firesafety101

http://www.liverpooldail...-worries-92534-28887728/ This fire has been burning since last weekend and the local brigade are unable to deal with the incident efficiently due to recent cuts in the service.
bleve  
#2 Posted : 16 June 2011 23:21:34(UTC)
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bleve

I don't see it as a matter of reduced cover. That being said, I do not know the time taken to respond from call out and the maximum number of appliances in attendance prior to scale back to two tenders. To my mind, it is a failure of management and of initial design. Unless malicious ignition, there had to be a failure of systems or procedure in order to result in ignition of the stored materials. The structure is some 100 metres by 50 metres and to my mind effective design of the storage bunker should have considered smaller volume and compartmented bunkers or allowed for the total flooding from low level of each bunker. Rather than trying to penetrate deep into a mass of bulk wood chip with a handful of branches. If dealing with a deep seated and thermally insulated fire, then standard fire fighting operations i.e hand held branches or monitors used from a distance will not fully extinguish the fire until complete saturation of wood chip at considerable distance below bunker surface. As an aside, and based on the comments from the councillors concerned, unless a comah site, I fail to see what acceptable risk can be applied to the facility.
firesafety101  
#3 Posted : 17 June 2011 08:51:32(UTC)
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firesafety101

Hi bleve, I understand you are not aware of the full facts but your assessment of the fire situation and potential preventative measures is correct. The fire did start and was reported as normal and the normal full attendance turned out and attended. There is a limited fire cover now due to changes in watch and shift patterns so at the time of the fire some stations were not manned and could not respond due to the way it works now. (Financial implications). Due to the present nature of fire fighting (health and safety in mind, risk assessment and not entering the building) the fire was allowed to burn to a certain extent. The fire occurred during a night watch and as the end of shift neared some appliances were sent back to their stations, (to prevent the payment of overtime) and the fire intensity increased. Some orbital appliance suffered mechanical defects due to age therefore the aerial attack was interrupted. The FRS has approx. half the numbers of firefighters and available appliances due to cut back during the past ten years. This is not a political thing just that the Chief Officer decided to save expenses. There is also a management failing IMO. As you say compartmentation and allowance for flooding the bunker would have eased the situation.
frankc  
#4 Posted : 18 June 2011 21:42:09(UTC)
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frankc

Talking of management failures, Chris, is this the same place that recently had two men allegedly dragged into a pupling machine where the isolators didn't work on the machines?
firesafety101  
#5 Posted : 18 June 2011 22:15:51(UTC)
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firesafety101

Yes Frank, the same place but I don't know the facts.
frankc  
#6 Posted : 18 June 2011 23:14:30(UTC)
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frankc

Chris, just tried to PM you but it says your inbox is full. Delete some messages as i want to forward some info to you.
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