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chillidogg  
#1 Posted : 22 June 2011 14:17:49(UTC)
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chillidogg

Good afternoon, I am working on a project for testing staff for alcohol, mainly aimed at those who drive company vehicles and MHE, I want this to be a even handed approach, but it is a touchy subject as we are in the drinks industry and tasting/drinking is part of the job. Any help on a way to apply a testing procedure and not discriminate would be very helpful.
Safety Smurf  
#2 Posted : 22 June 2011 14:27:25(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

If they are operating machinery or driving they shouldn't be drinking. That's not discrimination. If some of your staff are expected to taste or drink socially with clients then other transport arrangements should be made if neccessary.

Is it just me or does anyonelse now feel like they're working in the wrong industry? ;-)
rockybalboa  
#3 Posted : 22 June 2011 14:28:17(UTC)
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rockybalboa

Is there more information on where they drive to, the frequency they drive a week. If you are in a city or out in the countryside. More information please.

I think working through the heirarchy of control would allow you to minimise the hazard though. We also used to use a third party to test if anyone was thought to be intoxicated at work, transfer the liability for a reasonable retainer write up a policy on alcohol / perception altering substances to finish it off. Might be a good idea to bring HR on board too.
chillidogg  
#4 Posted : 22 June 2011 14:35:04(UTC)
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chillidogg

Our van drivers cover the home counties and London, driving through the day 5 days a week in transit style vehicles, they are the one who may be susceptible to the night before failure, which I am also aware of, the company line being that the person has some responsibility for there actions outside work (which I do agree with)

Note to Safety Smurf I think you maybe LOL :-b
rockybalboa  
#5 Posted : 22 June 2011 14:59:25(UTC)
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rockybalboa

Yeah, I think if someone wakes up still scooped your company could put in place some discretionary arrangements where someone calls in and says they will come in once their head is clear. Obviously if they take it too far and are kicking the rear end out of it you can bring in fair use of the policy but, as you say, self control and personal responsibility should be taken on board. Tasting I was sure didnt involve swallowing though so maybe thats an easier option.
Fletcher  
#6 Posted : 22 June 2011 15:03:15(UTC)
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Fletcher

Very difficult, if you are a union company then I would suggest you involve the union safety reps from the beginning, if not then involve the reps of safety.

Two companies I worked for had a drugs & alcohol testing procedure which covered two aspects
1) For cause - if somebody was suspected of being under the influence then they could be tested.
Testing was by an outside agency but my last company was moving towards internal testing
initially, with confirmation outside testing if positive result received.
Refusal to take the test would be taken as a "positive" test.
2) Random - a testing company would attend.
a) One company I worked for had HQ & movable sites. The testing company were given a list of
teams A - K they would pick a letter then that team would be tested on site.
The testing company tested the HQ staff (10 out of 20 picked out of the hat on the day of
test) by just arriving and announcing the test NOW. This was on a once a year basis.
b) Another company had 4 random tests per year (not evenly split just when arranged). The test
team would arrive and pick out work 20 numbers of the persons on site and 5 work numbers of
management/administration. Those people would be tested.
In both cases some people were tested more than others but it really was the luck of the draw.

Our policy defined the allowable limit of alcohol measured in blood, urine and breath samples.
It stated how and where the tests would be carried out and by whom.
(Internal testing would have been by qualified member of management team with a qualified union representative in attendance as a witness to the validity of the test).
It stated the consequences of refusing to take the test or of proving positive. It also stated the appeals process or at least a reference to it.
The policy was reviewed every 3 years and was signed as an approved policy by the senior union shop steward and the CEO.

Hope this helps
RayRapp  
#7 Posted : 22 June 2011 15:54:11(UTC)
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RayRapp

Good advice from Fletcher et al. I will also add that it is imperative you have a company policy on the use/misuse of drugs and alcohol which cover the workplace and restrictions outside working hours. This policy should be properly communicated to ALL the workforce before any attempt to enforce it. Supervisors and Managers may need a separate briefing if they are to enforce the policy.

You would also be well advised to discuss matters with independent D&A counselling and screening services before you finalise your D&A policy. Any mistakes are difficult to undo and could prove costly in an ET.
teh_boy  
#8 Posted : 22 June 2011 16:37:13(UTC)
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teh_boy

Hi

I used to work in the manufacture of breath alcohol detection equipment. Let me know if you want advice on which screener to buy... Once you have your policy sorted of course :)

good luck.
Sutherland25516  
#9 Posted : 23 June 2011 08:50:46(UTC)
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Sutherland25516

This is always a "hot topic". There is good advice from "Fletcher". I had to implement a very extensive AOD process at a rail contracting company I worked with approx 12 years ago. The key was definitely getting the union on board. Fortunately I was lucky that the union had just had a serious incident involving a person affected by drugs who had injured one of their members. Nevertheless FULL involvment of the workforce at all stages is critical to buy in.
Also you need to be clear and ensure that it is ALL drugs - not just alcohol, not just illegal drugs but includes "over the counter" and "prescription". A person who is adversely affected by these is just as hazardous to their mates as anyone under the influence of anything else. So you must have good procedures to surround this and enshrine this aspect - eg self disclosure (in confidence), ability to "self test" and absent without retribution - obviously within limits! Self testing was only permitted up to the point of "sign-on" - after that you were on your own as it were.
In our policy we tested "on suspicion", "random" and "post cause". Every incident would provoke an AOD test (other than " 'it me finger wiv the "ammer" type). In random testing - the "random" was "time and place" only - everyone on site would be tested. Managers, supervisors - even client reps!
Fletcher  
#10 Posted : 23 June 2011 14:43:46(UTC)
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Fletcher

One additional point in your policy make clear that those to be tested must declare any medicines, drugs etc they are taking or have taken (think we used over previous 3 weeks) before they are tested as it will not be accepted as mitigation to say after they test positive.
Also prior to testing our HR administrator would get the testee to sign that they were or were not taking any medication.
Our D&A Policy had a section that referred to employees who had a drug or alcohol related problem that referred to our more extensive HR policy on D&A problems. The D&A policy outlined that any problem had to be declared 24 hours prior to testing and would not be mitigation if revealed by testing.
Not sure if the 24 hours would stand up in an ET but we wanted to stop people declaring a problem just before they were tested.

Take Care
Robinson22450  
#11 Posted : 23 June 2011 21:22:31(UTC)
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Robinson22450

Some very good points covered above......

Key points before deciding on the way forward is consultation, policy and contracts of employment.

Involve HR from the outake!!!
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