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vinod  
#1 Posted : 23 June 2011 10:16:52(UTC)
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vinod

Is Permit to Work system (PTW) a legal document? any regualtions related to this?
Kate  
#2 Posted : 23 June 2011 13:47:50(UTC)
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Kate

It's not a legally required document in the UK; it is a tool to control the work properly, and can be legal evidence of that control.
Fletcher  
#3 Posted : 23 June 2011 14:20:01(UTC)
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Fletcher

Don't know in ME but as Kate says in UK it is not a legal document.
However for example
A trained electrician is working on a system that he has isolated and somebody de-isolates resulting in the electrician receiving a severe shock then the HSE may prosecute/issue a notice because no PTW or an inadequate PTW system was in place.

Your task risk assessment should highlight if a PTW is a required as a control measure to prevent injury.

Take Care
firesafety101  
#4 Posted : 23 June 2011 14:43:53(UTC)
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firesafety101

Fletcher wrote:
Don't know in ME but as Kate says in UK it is not a legal document.
However for example
A trained electrician is working on a system that he has isolated and somebody de-isolates resulting in the electrician receiving a severe shock then the HSE may prosecute/issue a notice because no PTW or an inadequate PTW system was in place.

Your task risk assessment should highlight if a PTW is a required as a control measure to prevent injury.

Take Care


That would be a lock off procedure or safe isolation procedure - all/most electricians carry a safe isolation kit.

Permit to work is a local procedure managed by an employer/premises owner etc. to control workers who may need access to a hazardous position i.e. on a roof, in an excavation, confined space etc.

It does not have to be a legal document, just part of the safety management system - no permit - no work.
Fletcher  
#5 Posted : 23 June 2011 14:56:00(UTC)
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Fletcher

Chris,

Take your point but in my last company
all our electrical maintenance/breakdowns etc were controlled by a PTW which ensured that everybody knew what piece of equipment was being worked on and by whom. Isolation was part of that PTW.

Perhaps I picked a bad example

Take Care
Lucy D  
#6 Posted : 24 June 2011 10:08:38(UTC)
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Lucy D

It's not a legal document but some legislation refers to the use of permits to control risks.
For example L137 (Safe maintenance and cleaning procedures ACOP accompanyind DSEAR) refers to the use of hot work permits in para.35 where the work is identified as high risk.
MB1  
#7 Posted : 24 June 2011 10:12:37(UTC)
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MB1

In many cases a PTW will be considered as part of a SSOW following a risk assessment although in some industries... it's the rule!
vinod  
#8 Posted : 26 June 2011 09:44:48(UTC)
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vinod

Thanks Guys!
smart  
#9 Posted : 26 June 2011 10:19:43(UTC)
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smart

Like most have said ,it is not a legal document in the sense but it can be used in a court as evidence of high risk activities were either controlled or not. A permit to work should be used as a checking system to ensure that all the control measures are in place ie isolations and immobilisations and that they are communicated to all the working party. It is only part of a SSOW.
shaibani  
#10 Posted : 26 June 2011 14:54:02(UTC)
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shaibani

I am not sure if it's legal requirement or not , but what I found, that it's a very usefull tools , especially during any near misses or accident investigation.
and in any case it's a local requirement for most companies.
Canopener  
#11 Posted : 26 June 2011 20:52:54(UTC)
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Canopener

The devil, is as always in the detail! Or at least in interpreting the question.

Is it REQUIRED by statute? No I don't believe that it is, although there is reference to PTW in HSE guidance (on confined spaces)
Is it a legal document? As far as it could along with many other documents, records etc be used as evidence in court proceedings, then I suggest that in that respect, it is.

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