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staggsy  
#1 Posted : 30 June 2011 16:17:40(UTC)
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staggsy

Fellow safety professionals, At the moment i am busy analysing incident/accident data from my current workplace (An onshore oil and gas plant in Kazakhstan currently under construction / commisioning) The data reveals that we experience incident free periods, then experience a number of incidents relativley back to back with one another, this trend has occured a number of times. The incidents seem to group themselves together, Also if one type of incident occurs it is sometimes followed by a similar incident - i.e dropped objects from height, vehicle incidents, unsecured loads etc. Has anybody witnessed similar patterns? and if so does anybody have any ideas why this happens (I am aware this is a very general question without a lot of detailed information to work with) Thanks AS
Safety Smurf  
#2 Posted : 30 June 2011 16:25:20(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

You would have to look at them all for consistencies. Does it mostly happen at the sametime of day, or same day of the week or even month? Is it nearly always the same supervisor on duty? Is there anything about the accident reporting and investigation procedure that upsets the horses? Something that could cause them to take their eye off the ball?
stevie40  
#3 Posted : 30 June 2011 16:56:16(UTC)
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stevie40

Couple of areas you could investigate:- Weather at time of incident? Are the following incidents less serious than the first? Perhaps workers colluding to prove an accident trend to give weight to the original workers claim for compensation? Not sure if this is a factor in Kazakhstan but we have observed something similar in low pay, low skill trade sectors in the UK (I work for an insurer). Proximity to public festivals / religous occasions etc for which the site employer does not provide time off? An accident of a minor nature may enable the person to attend. Classic example of this is the uk was the Harvestime / Fresha bakery double fatality in Leicester. 2 workers entered a large oven without allowing time to cool down. Accident occured Saturday AM, Leicester City were playing that afternoon at home. Anecdotal evidence suggests the corners were cut to allow staff to make the match.
David H  
#4 Posted : 30 June 2011 19:14:04(UTC)
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David H

Stevie - in my humble opinion that "classic example" is a dangerous statement to make and I hope that the families dont see it. Unless you can prove it! David
cliveg  
#5 Posted : 30 June 2011 19:40:17(UTC)
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cliveg

As is suggested, it may be useful to look at the consequences of the response to the 'accident'. If a whole group of workers got time off - particularly if they are still paid - as a result of the accident, then there is clearly a disincentive to working safely. As is suggested look at when they happen, and what happened as a result of the accident being spotted by management.
RayRapp  
#6 Posted : 30 June 2011 20:48:54(UTC)
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RayRapp

I have often taken the view that accidents are like buses...none and then two or three at once. That said, some years ago there was some internal research (doubt if it was published) in the company I was working for which looked at train driver errors. There was a pattern where drivers coming back to work from leave, a day or weeks, were prone to having an operational error. This trend also followed where drivers had a break ie soon after a lunch or rest break. The problem with this research was finding a solution - you can't stop staff having a holiday! My theory was that drivers were still switched off. Only a few minutes booking on time was provided before a driver picked up a train, whereas office staff might settle back to work by going through their emails, talking to colleagues, making a cuppa, etc. So, this might be an avenue worth investigating, particularly if staff have long periods between working shifts.
chris42  
#7 Posted : 30 June 2011 21:37:35(UTC)
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chris42

You may also want to look to see if they coincide with planned company audits, visits from investors etc to see if there is any reason why employees may be put under pressure to get things finished, tidied up, or some other company milestone to be ticked off. I say this as there may not be regular times between these visits or even be the same type of visit. However the consequence of needing to make the place look especially tidy may be the same. This I admit may be hard to spot as you need to know everything that is going on in the organisation.
Salem  
#8 Posted : 30 June 2011 21:40:18(UTC)
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Salem

I have experianced the same thing in our organisation lastyear, we had an accident free then we had a fatarlity. we hired an expert for the investigation and we came to realise that we had aproblem with reporting. Supervisor's wouldn't let workers report the incident because of escaping the paper work of incident report. or may be they do report but nothing actioned i.e incidents should be communicated in all sector's once they happen.
Steve Sedgwick  
#9 Posted : 30 June 2011 22:34:10(UTC)
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Steve Sedgwick

Staggsy as you say, this is "a general question with very little info for us to go on" and resulted in some very very odd replies. The obvious and general reply to your post is that "there are weaknesses in your HS Management System" Things may be worse than what you think; you maybe having periods with less accidents due to pure "Good Luck". There are no quick fixes or classic examples, and Health & Safety is not a black art. My advice would be to network with other similar oil / gas plant to share ideas for improvement and bench mark against the best HS performer. Steve
Kate  
#10 Posted : 01 July 2011 08:22:23(UTC)
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Kate

Statistically, random events do look as if they cluster, rather than being spread evenly across time - in fact, when they are evenly spread a statistician will suspect there is some non-randomness. So I wouldn't read too much into a bit of clustering - you would get this just by chance. Unless, of course, there is some consistent pattern to it such as a relationship with shift rotas. Human nature is to look for patterns and for that reason we are bad at detecting what's random and what's non-random. The classic example of this is to get a computer to put random dots on a screen - when you look at this, you see clusters. But if you ask a human being to put random dots on a piece of paper, we tend to spread them out more evenly - as we interpret clusters as being meaningful even when they are not.
Kate  
#11 Posted : 01 July 2011 08:27:25(UTC)
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Kate

In the case where an incident report is followed by a flurry of similar reports, it may just be that the initial report has drawn people's attention to the issue, and they are reporting it instead of ignoring it. The incidents may be going on all the time!
MB1  
#12 Posted : 01 July 2011 09:18:57(UTC)
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MB1

Staggsy, It's very easy to become reactive to this kind of situation as on site management very quickly become uneasy and are no doubt being 'asked questions' from the senior office based management? I also have experienced this kind of flurry of consistent incidents within the oil industry with close knit crews and on a constant 24 hour operational environment. This is where the importance of getting everybody on board to behavioural safety, encouraging all trades to look after each other and not be afraid to speak up there and then! Frank discussions with site mangers is required and not taking eyes off the ball. It's almost as if a full circle has turned and isn't uncommon. Reaction should be proportionate as all too often knee jerk reactions can also backfire with nervous junior members more concerned as to who is watching them than concentrating on their task. Another area I noticed overseas was many more incidents involved senior crew members/supervisors who were concerned in time taken to complete tasks rather than a more methodical pace that the new local crews were comfortable with.
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