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teh_boy  
#1 Posted : 07 July 2011 11:43:36(UTC)
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teh_boy

http://www.thesun.co.uk/...-The-Sun-can-reveal.html

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Health and safety matters in places like the chemical plant where people died in an explosion last month. But daft rules around school trips and emergency services have nothing to do with real health and safety

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/...eveal.html#ixzz1RPn7DrZt


hmmmmm, I worry where this is going.
Andrew Ramsey  
#2 Posted : 07 July 2011 12:13:31(UTC)
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Andrew Ramsey

Don't think its gonna have a happy ending somehow!!

News Internationals plan to deflect criticism for the News Of The Worlds alleged behaviour seems to be rolling out the big guns; "Footballer is a naughty boy", "Elf N Safety get a slap in the face, god bless the 999 crews" etc....

I fear that our current government are trying to sell the gullible the idea that there is high hazard or no hazard, with no grey area between...
Zimmy  
#3 Posted : 07 July 2011 12:53:00(UTC)
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Zimmy

It seems to me that if the poor lad in question had someone there to give a little advice such as 'don't go in there son, the weeds will hold you down and you cold be killed (a little health and safety shout from a park keeper - remember them - shall we say) then there is a fighting chance he'd be with us today.

It is very sad that some people sit in so office and do nothing more than moan but have not got the guts to offer an alternative other than let some one pt their life on the line.

Would I want my wife or kids to get involved in a street fight with thugs? Not a chance. If anyone thinks that is a good plan..Get out of the press office and join the police etc..and then lets see what you make of the idiots from H&S.

Bob

A Kurdziel  
#4 Posted : 07 July 2011 14:53:43(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

It's the Sun!!
Who cares
Zimmy  
#5 Posted : 07 July 2011 15:14:44(UTC)
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Zimmy

I wish I had said that!

Bob
MaxPayne  
#6 Posted : 07 July 2011 15:29:42(UTC)
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MaxPayne


Wouldn't Sun readers be classed as vulnerable adults and so require specific risk assessment to protect them from themselves?
Andrew W Walker  
#7 Posted : 07 July 2011 15:37:53(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

MaxPayne wrote:

Wouldn't Sun readers be classed as vulnerable adults and so require specific risk assessment to protect them from themselves?



Isn't that a contradiction in terms???

Sun AND readers?

Andy
Thundercliffe26308  
#8 Posted : 07 July 2011 16:01:28(UTC)
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Thundercliffe26308

Dont think any of the "papers" give a good account of anythingto do with good events where health and safet has helped save lives.

I dont think this forum is a platform to berate people or make assumptions regarding peoples abilities or choice of reading matter.

And no i dont read the Sun;
neilrimmer  
#9 Posted : 07 July 2011 16:14:24(UTC)
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neilrimmer

I was reading the article and was going to post an intellectual response then I realised it was the sun!

lets face it, the sun is hardly the shining light of balanced truthful reporting is it, the people of liverpool will testify to this rags past history of lies and deceit. Isnt this the same news group that is currently being investigated for allegedly hacking the voicemails of dead soldiers and children alike?

I get annoyed when newspapers mis report health and safety. but since this isnt technically a newspaper I think we can let this slide, after all the people who buy the sun only look at the pictures dont they :-)
martin1  
#10 Posted : 07 July 2011 16:40:39(UTC)
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martin1

Don't buy it.
Don't read it.
Don't think about.

If enough people stop buying then the paper stops printing.

Vote with your wallets - it is the last worthwhile vote we have.
David Bannister  
#11 Posted : 07 July 2011 16:49:36(UTC)
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David Bannister

Sadly, there is probably a copy of the rag to be found in every staff rest area in England, with the noble exception of Liverpool (never thought I'd place those two words in the same sentence). Whether we like it or not it is a very influential part of the media and the people with whom we work or provide a service are sadly informed about us by the Sun.

Maybe its power will be affected by the current revelations about alleged despicable practices.
teh_boy  
#12 Posted : 07 July 2011 16:56:40(UTC)
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teh_boy

:)
Great stuff

I only posted this as the HSE tweeted the article! I clicked the shorted link and had inadvertently visited the sun website :(
cliveg  
#13 Posted : 07 July 2011 18:26:34(UTC)
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cliveg

As Stuff4blokes says, unfortunately more people 'read' this rag then other other paper so this will not help.
Just don't start me on the 'Emergency Services' tosh!!
Graham Bullough  
#14 Posted : 07 July 2011 19:07:33(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Just to expand on Martin1's comment that "If enough people stop buying then the paper stops printing": Apparently most publishers of newspapers and magazines make only a limited proportion of their money from the sales of their publications to readers. Most of their money comes from selling advertising space - and the greater the readership numbers, the more they can charge companies and organisations which wish to advertise. However, if a publication experiences a significant decline in its readership, advertisers may decide to advertise elsewhere or insist on paying a lower fee.

Earlier today I heard on Radio 4 news that various big name companies had told the "News of the World" that they no longer wished to continue advertising in the newspaper because of recent and increasing revelations about (alleged) hacking of numerous private mobile phones, including those associated with murder victims and/or their relatives. I've just looked at Google News and seen that the paper will cease to be published after this coming Sunday. As a BBC news webpage describes the paper as "the UK's best-selling newspaper and reportedly the most read English language paper", it is quite probable that the impending significant loss of advertising revenue entwined with mounting criticism about the phone hacking is the real cause of the paper's demise rather than contrition on the part of News International.
RayRapp  
#15 Posted : 07 July 2011 20:11:12(UTC)
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RayRapp

Mmm...the Sun, nice pictures shame about the substance. From the comments I have read the majority of the public are not so naive to believe that health and safety is more often than not used as an excuse for not doing something.

I wonder has anyone from the emergency services ever been prosecuted for doing an heroic act whilst endangering themselves? I cannot recall such a prosecution - is this I wonder just another urban myth propagated by those who wish to discredit health and safety?
cliveg  
#16 Posted : 07 July 2011 21:49:06(UTC)
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cliveg

Hello Ray
Funnily enough I have a query in with the HSE asking that very question.
I certainly don't know of any prosecutions or even cautions for any emergency service worker endangering themselves in order to try to help another.
There certainly won't be any prosecutions in the future as the HSE has publicly said that they won't investigate, let alone prosecute any such acts - this is in the Striking the Balance Guidance - and also the CPS have said in their internal guidance that it would not be in the public interest to prosecute such a case.
As far as I can see it is a complete myth.
firesafety101  
#17 Posted : 07 July 2011 22:23:13(UTC)
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firesafety101

On a serious note perhaps this will make emergency services (other than FRS) put some rescue training together so that their employees will know what to do in an emergency.
RayRapp  
#18 Posted : 07 July 2011 22:51:29(UTC)
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RayRapp

Thanks Clive, I would be interested in the HSE response to your question. My guess is that no one from the emergency services has ever been prosecuted. If that is the case, it would have been helpful had the HSE/CPS come clean and stated that in the first place in order to kill the myth!
Bob Shillabeer  
#19 Posted : 07 July 2011 23:55:08(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

It seems to me that whatever a newspaper prints these days it makes no diference at all. The News of the World are going out of business after this weeks publication. Don't worry though the Sun is likely to print seven days a week, no change there then.
Invictus  
#20 Posted : 08 July 2011 07:33:44(UTC)
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Invictus

The Sun should go the same way as the News of the World. Who believes anything that is in the rag. It's a wonder they aren't printing that the 'Health and Safety at Work Act' has just been released. Don't by the Sun.
bob youel  
#21 Posted : 08 July 2011 07:42:29(UTC)
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bob youel

In all the years that the Sun and similar papers [I will not call them newspapers] have been around they have paid for a number of my holidays because I have not bought a copy of the Sun nor any of the other similar [that makes 99.9% of dailies] publications and saved many thousands of pounds!

Let us all create change by the use of our money; or in my case the none use of it; when it comes to such publications!
Hally  
#22 Posted : 08 July 2011 09:07:32(UTC)
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Hally

I was going to respond to reply 11, but fear i may type something and press enter and get banned. Stereotypes seem to be still alive and well and kicking...

Anyway will leave it there as my hatred of Murdoch and the s*n will probably make my head blow off...
Moderator 3  
#23 Posted : 08 July 2011 09:16:15(UTC)
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Moderator 3

Ahem...

Folks, we seem to be drifting away from the discussion point here.

The appearance of the article in the Murdoch media, is in fact incidental to the discussion point raised.

Please stick to the topic or the thread will be locked.
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