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Rob2T  
#1 Posted : 15 July 2011 09:48:19(UTC)
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Rob2T

Sorry if this has been covered previously, I couldn't find it on here and haven't used the forum for a little while. Is anyone involved in discussions with the HSE around this: http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2011/hse-iccqa.htm HSE also intends to remove the facility to report incidents via email and is currently working with some businesses to explore the impact this may have on electronic Incident Reporting systems that they have in place. I know a number of organisations that have electronic accident and incident recording systems which produce the F2508 which in turn is sent off as an e-mail attachment or automatically from the system. I'm guessing this has quite substantial cost and procedure issues yet was popped up on the HSE website - it was not included in the detail of their plans. What's the general view? If we object, is this something IOSH could include in their RIDDOR consultation feedback. Surely the legal requirement is to report on a F2508 and how it gets there doesn't matter - the HSE proposal to remove the ability to post, fax and e-mail may reduce their costs but definitely not ours. This will effect many including software providers and suddenly appeared in the Q&A section on their site but not previously in their delivery plan. Thoughts?
Betta Spenden  
#2 Posted : 15 July 2011 11:04:30(UTC)
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Betta Spenden

The HSE is strapped for cash and has to make savings somewhere. By deleting the e-mail facility they can cut costs and re-direct funding where it is need.
bob youel  
#3 Posted : 15 July 2011 11:26:39(UTC)
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bob youel

Note that there is no law in place that says that U have too use the HSE's web site!! THINK ABOUT IT!
achrn  
#4 Posted : 15 July 2011 15:30:44(UTC)
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achrn

I've thought about it and don't understand your point. There is a law in place that says you need to notify a particular authority. The authority in question says you can only notify to them using the web site (or will, soon).
Rob2T  
#5 Posted : 20 July 2011 14:19:16(UTC)
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Rob2T

achrn, Apologies if I wasn't being clear with my enquiry. No, the requirement to report to the ICC remains the same, they simply moved this from Wales and outsourced to in-house at Bootle. My query is regarding the Q&A section on the HSE website. Bob - typing in capitals is generally seen as shouting and little rude. I have thought about it and the point is this, if the HSE plans go ahead as proposed they will remove the ability to report RIDDOR via post, fax and e-mail. In my last few organisations and others I know of, they have electronic systems for capturing accident data that then produce a PDF for posting or e-mail the F2508. This would no longer be acceptable and require a change of procedure for the employer which could incur cost. This would be the same for a number of software providers where electronic management systems do the same thing. I queried this direct with the HSE and have just received the following clarification on one of the points I raised which covers the legal requirement to report including format / method: With regard to your question on 'legal requirements', I can confirm that the proposed change does not require an amendment to RIDDOR as the regulations when passed allow the Executive flexibility in deciding the means by which to receive reports in light of, for example, technological advances. The HSE confirmed it would be mid-August before they know next steps. I just think we should all keep a close eye on this one. They are working with a few organisation to assess impact but unsure who they are. They confirmed that they have received a number of enquiries on just this point.
Jake  
#6 Posted : 20 July 2011 14:44:32(UTC)
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Jake

This change will cause us a headache, currently we report predominantly by phone. Our stores don't have internet access so it's going to be a logistical nightmare reporting RIDDOR incidents in the future! At some point I'll be tasked with developing a new procedure....
Lojikglos  
#7 Posted : 21 July 2011 08:37:20(UTC)
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Lojikglos

to Rob2T re your comment about use of capitals in email Lets not get into PC mode. Surely this forum isnt about being Politically Correct but if you want to be politically correct, and I am not suggesting you are one,but political correctness was very big in germany in the 30's.
wizzpete  
#8 Posted : 21 July 2011 09:00:17(UTC)
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wizzpete

Slightly off topic, but it's not Political Correctness, Lojikglos, it's etiquette and manners that suggest people don't use capitals unless they mean to 'shout'. Linking the use - deliberate or not - of capital letters in a Forum post to a 1930's German political movement is a little over reaction and uncalled for IMO. On topic, like most, if not all of the cuts imposed by the government Money is the motivator. Better, worse, has huge impact or not - these factors are irrelevant when the HSE has been told to save money. The fact that it inconveniences business, or costs them money is a moot point; the HSE achieves what they have been told to achieve and the requirement to notify under RIDDOR remains; only the method of notification changes and as ahs been pointed out, not for the benefit of business.
Moderator 3  
#9 Posted : 21 July 2011 09:22:17(UTC)
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Moderator 3

All, Please be courteous to fellow users and focus on the question. While not a "rule" on our forum as such, I understand use of capitals is commonly deemed as shouting in many other forums - so please be aware of this when you post. Carry on.
walker  
#10 Posted : 21 July 2011 10:28:06(UTC)
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walker

The HSE are slowly reaching a point where thay are basically saying that unless a business has an internet link they (the HSE) will cause them to break the law (because they can't report a RIDDOR) and thus are unable to trade. Lots of small firms manage without - I have a decorator, Plasterer & plumber working at my home now none have Internet for their business. It will get interesting. I deal with ( through a hobby) a company who don't have computers at all, the boss on religious grounds won't have them on the premises.
ahoskins  
#11 Posted : 21 July 2011 11:45:13(UTC)
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ahoskins

Not strictly RIDDOR but there is an interesting article by Peter Rimmer on the HSE's Infoline in SHP on line at: http://www.shponline.co....iewpoint-end-of-the-line
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