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Please help.
I need some advice on an issue I have come across in one of our call centres. Some of the male staff have been offered a telephone headset but don't want to wear it. They have completed the usual DSE assessment form and made no comments about it.
They are on the telephone all day and it concerns us that they could make a claim in the future for neck injuries and we would not have anything to back us up.
These individuals are good at their job and the Manager does not want to down the disiplinary route. He has has asked if we should get a disclaimer signed by them, confirming that they have been asked to wear one, but do not want to and that they are aware of the risks??
I personally don't agree with disclaimers as I don't think you can disclaim your way out of a legal duty e.g. Section 7: duty to take reasonable care of your own H&S and co-operate with with the employer etc...
Before I give them an official response, I just wanted to get other peoples opinions.
Thanks
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'I personally don't agree with disclaimers as I don't think you can disclaim your way out of a legal duty e.g. Section 7: duty to take reasonable care of your own H&S and co-operate with with the employer etc...'
Correct, but don't forget s2(1)!
Legal disclaimers are not worth the paper they are written on. I suggest you first find out why your staff do not wish to wear headsets. Are the headsets PPE as defined in a company Risk Assessment? I'm not sure what advantage/disadvantage wearing them is, so I can't comment further.
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Hi,
Couple of things here - why don't the guys want to wear it? Image? Comfort? Some other reason? If you understand that, then you may be able to get them to change their mind. If headsets are the right tool for the job, and using something else has health implications, then you need to enforce the use of headsets. You wouldn't allow then to bang in nails with a spanner, just because they said they preferred doing it that way......
Lastly, disclaimers hold no weight in law as far as I know, so they could still come after you (plus you'd face all the associated sickness absence and other indirect costs).
Ta
Stu
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No wonder you have a headache!
There is no such thing as a disclaimer that would stand up in a court to mitigate you in this case.
You have conducted a risk assessment and your findings have indicated a risk, brought in adequate equipment/measures to reduce the likelyhood of harm.
You provide training and instruction of their correct use.
You then ensure employees work safely, use the equipment they have been provided in the interest of their safety
Employees have a legal obligation too
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A better approach, from a legal compliance point of view, is to discuss the assessment with all employees. I'm no expert in call centres but you and your teams are and should be able to understand the issues associated with operations. A starting point may be to look back throught your accident/ill health records and see if the change was brought about for health reasons. This will support any changes you propose.
Document your findings and brief the whole team recording attendence.
I suspect the headsets were brought in for two reasons - speed and to avoid injury as people cradle the phone on their shoulder to type and take the call. In this case find a suitable headset that may cost a bit more but keeps your well motivated and trained employees.
While disclaimers may not be appropriate in this case the claim that they are worthless in a court of law is incorrect. They are used effectively in sport where the risk is reduced to practical levels but cannot be eliminated. Paintball ones outline the hazards associated with it (bruising, natural woodland features etc.) and absolve the companys of claim other than where there is negligence on behalf of the company. These disclaimers have regularly been used as a successful defence in accident claims.,
John J
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Weigh them (phone against head set) then, watch how they are used. With a hand held the person has only one hand free to use the key board and is therefore out of balance and twisting, using left had to bring phone to right ear etc. Take a peep at car drivers for proof of that! (try it yourself) or wedged in the shoulder, again a problem.
Head set, lighter designed for, and fit for, purpose.
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Thanks guys for the responses so far.
the reason they don't want to wear them is image. As regards previous history etc, there is no previous injury history as this was a small company now just expanded into a larger purpose built call centre. We are doing this pro-actively to try to prevent injuries in the future. They are using detailed self assessments which we ran past a local EHO at our Head Office, and I have trained up DSE assessors on site to reveiw each assessment once completeIs this not "suitable and sufficient"?
Intresting point about the paintballing. I suspect that these types of disclaimers have been written up by lawyers so would add weight in a court.
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Image is everything? Its sounds a classic case of the tail waging the dog.
In so far as the issuing of a waiver is concerned read:
Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977. In particular section 2(2) & 2(3) “Negligence liability.”
Paint balling etc is different, unless you are actually employed as a marshal. So I would exercise caution when making a comparison with someone at work and another engaging in leisure or sporting activity.
If it were me I would write up a tool box talk presentation (include the line managers) on why you want them to use the headsets and slip in a crafty quote on sections 7 & 8 of the HSWA74. Depending on how co-operative they were I would consider quoting other legislation, maybe MHSWR99, Reg 14. Then make it HR’s and the line manager’s problem.
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John
There may be an exception where disclaimers are worthwhile but I don't know of any. The paintball example is not a good one because I believe the activity is most likely to be covered by volenti non fit injuria (you accept the risk knowingly) and the disclaimer would in effect be redundant.
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Ivor,
We did this in the 90's. We just unplugged and removed the handsets from site, end of.
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Safety Smurf wrote:Ivor,
We did this in the 90's. We just unplugged and removed the handsets from site, end of.
I will just add to that. You've decided they are necessary and then "offered" them? Tell them it's compulsory and remove the handsets. You have duty to consider their views, not to bend to them.
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volenti non fit injuria sailed with Noha. Stand your ground
Bob
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It's already been said, but you cannot avoid your responsibilities as an employer by allowing staff to opt-out via a disclaimer; it won't hold any water legally.
Could give the users a selection of headsets to choose from...
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For the men..Avoid pink! Having said that...
Zimmy (Don't like pink honest)
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Ray,
it serves two purposes in that it informs the players of the hazards and therefore supports the volenti non fit injuria argument.
It also forms a contract with the site owner which sets out the duties on both parties and is designed to represent 'reasonableness' as per The unfair contracts act. This then allows you to use it as a disclaimer of liability.
This umfair contracts act is very different to anything in other countries where disclaimers carry a lot more weight and can be very wide ranging.
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On the first point about the headsets. You have identified that the issue is essentially one of vanity. I don't think that that is a 'valid' reason for not complying with a precaution that has been introduced to reduce an identified and assessed risk. If this was a building site and the employee refused to wear a helmet, safety footwear etc, would you accept the same 'vanity' argument?
On the second point about disclaimers. You can't absolve yourself or others from a statutory duty by the use of a disclaimer. In respect of this case//scenario, a disclaimer would be inappropriate and essentially worthless. As already pointed out, those disclaimers that attempt to restrict liability for negligence are generally unenforceable under the Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977.
However, many disclaimers are perfectly legal and enforceable in law, although the extent, might be arguable on the facts of each case. For example the IOSH site itself has a disclaimed at
http://www.iosh.co.uk/te...f_use.aspx#Liabilitydisc
which I suggest is perfectly reasonable, 'legal', and enforceable!
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John
I hear what you are saying but...the volenti precedent only applies to the civil law doctrine and therefore your paintball example is not relevant to the thread, which is concerned with regulatory (criminal) law and liability. I can't comment on the unfair contract scenario because I have little knowledge of contract law.
The example Phil has highlighted with the IOSH disclaimer is not the same as an opt-out disclaimer with regards to criminal law liability, where the person is required to sign the disclaimer so as to avoid liability.
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Interesting one, what type of call centre is it?
We have had problems with both people screaming loudly down the phone and also occasional system-generated very loud audio spikes, both into people's headsets. A handset may be easier to drop or otherwise get rid of in these cases of sudden high volume.
We can't do much about the screeching callers, and some of the finest telecom minds have been working for some time to get to bottom of the audio spike problem.
Depending on your sector, the chap might have a valid arguement (who said vanity doesn't have a purpose?!).
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Fortunately, any decent headset should have audio limiting built-in, irrespective of the operators need for more sound...
Or maybe the EU noise at work legislation hasn't filtered through yet.
After all, a recent survey revealed that barely 5% of call-centres have a policy to comply with the legislation.
"To adhere, Contact Centres have to measure and monitor the ambient noise levels through out their premises, including sound levels both inside and outside the building as well as those transmitted via a phone line, ensuring that they are within the legal limit"
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Ivorheadache
It's easy to confound compliance with procedures about technology, in the absence of relevant reliable evidence.
One of the critical considerations in the situation you outline is that available research on safety ergonomics in call centres is not clear-cut about the absolute need for wearing a headset, as a means of safeguarding against injury. Compare it, for example, with the evidence about managing use of ladders, scaffolding, edging and so on when people are working at height.
An alternative approach is to introduce the elements of what is commonly called 'behavioural safety' in two ways: 1. negotiating definitions of 'safe behaviour' about all key aspects of call centre operator behaviour; 2. creating and sustaining processes of documented VALID observer feedback by TRAINED peers on the percentage of safe behaviour.
This has the combined effect of creating a trail of evidence of safety compliance with relevant regulations and of practical reinforcement of 'a safety culture'.
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I'm still trying to get to grips regarding a disclaimer from injury caused by refusing to use equipment provided in the workplace?
Surely if it has been identified as a risk to a persons health & safety (in this case msd) how would this hold up in a court of law, especially in criminal law not civil?
Ho would this in either hypothetical case help an employer if an employee refused to wear fall protection (e.g. harness) and signed a disclaimer.... surely that wouldn't work either.
Surely employees have a legal duty to use the equipment provided in their interests of H&S as per training & instruction?
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Gents,
the original question asks in relation to a claim which will be a civil action. I don't disagree about criminal acts but in this case could we realistically argue, say at a tribunal, that we had taken action against/dismissed an individual who chose to use a phone rather than a headset? What is the decision based on? Have we got evidence of an issue? Is it law that headsets must be used?
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'the original question asks in relation to a claim which will be a civil action.'
John, not true, the original question was with regards to s7 HSWA, which as you know is regulatory (criminal) law. Whether some time in the furture a claim arises via an ET is pure speculation and with respect, taking things to the extreme. Moreover, the original thread was regarding disclaimers in the workplace and their usefulness.
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Ivor,
you say 'some' of the male staff don't want to wear them(as its an image thing I assume they haven't even tried them) and the manager doesn't want to go down the disciplinary route (how many do unless absolutely necessary?) - is this because he's 'one of the boys'?
At the end of the day you have done the RA and identified a control, if these have been agreed and endorsed by the management team it's their duty to implement, they cannot back track to suit a few individuals because it doesn't fit their 'macho' image. It's managing change again and the employees have their own duties to comply with.
I hold with most others here that the disclaimer doesn't hold water. (People have tried the same argument on our site for other issues).
I've got no real experience of call centres so don't know what evidence there is for or against the use of headsets for controlling the risks. I would like to offer some food for thought.
Look at the NaW regs, we have the two action levels. The higher, being a significant (certain?) risk of hearing damage requires mandatory ear protection. The lower level (some evidence of a potential risk) only requires the employer provides information and PPE but wearing it is voluntary. There's no need for any form of disclaimer. Could this argument be used in the case of Headsets - another post refers to unproven evidence. You provide but don't require the employees to wear them. You would of course have review in the light of any new evidence on the subject and change controls accordingly.
I may of course be way off the mark! So fire away!!
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