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Kralph  
#1 Posted : 22 July 2011 14:26:16(UTC)
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Kralph

Hello, I have recently obtained the Level 3 Occupational Health & Safety qualification with NEBOSH, and i'm new to IOSH. I am really looking for some advice- can anyone recommend the best sources of changes to law/legislation/regulations? I hope to be able to stay on top of any changes, as i don't want to miss anything or do any work to standards which have (or will soon become) outdated. Thanks! KR.
Zimmy  
#2 Posted : 22 July 2011 14:48:28(UTC)
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Zimmy

you may know this but the HSE site is good with loads of free downloads
Kralph  
#3 Posted : 22 July 2011 15:13:41(UTC)
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Kralph

thanks, yeah i use it a lot, it's a really usefull source of information and advice/ACOPs etc etc...i'm just looking to broaden my horizons a little!
A Kurdziel  
#4 Posted : 22 July 2011 16:51:04(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Kralph HSE make the laws- and then they put them up on the website. This is also where they announce consultations, which gives you a heads up on new legislation etc. I tend to be wary of law firms etc and their websites as they spend a lot of their time telling you that laws are complex and difficult tot understand and that you really need to consult a lawyer ie them!
John M  
#5 Posted : 22 July 2011 17:55:57(UTC)
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John M

HSE do not make laws. Government make laws (Acts of Parliament )whilst Regulations are generally drafted by parliamentary draftsmen and approved by Parliament. Jon
Betta Spenden  
#6 Posted : 22 July 2011 19:30:03(UTC)
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Betta Spenden

Follow the links for either the top only or both and register with these for regular updates. www.hse.gov.uk/new/ebulletins/ For health and safety updates. www.netregs.gov.uk/netregs/99358.aspx For environmental updates.
A Kurdziel  
#7 Posted : 25 July 2011 16:33:58(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

John M Are you telling us that our elected representatives know understand or even care about the legislation that they are voting on? Every government department has a policy section, which explains to MPs, in words of one syllable, etc what laws need changing. This is what they vote on. The parliamentary draftsman’s job is to take the stuff that has been given to MP’s and rewrite it so that it can make sense in court. But the basic policy comes from the civil servants. Of course if the government gets a bee in its bonnet about something then the civil servants will draft anything that is asked of them eg Fees for HSE visits.
Triblim  
#8 Posted : 25 July 2011 16:54:07(UTC)
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Triblim

John M wrote:
HSE do not make laws. Government make laws (Acts of Parliament )whilst Regulations are generally drafted by parliamentary draftsmen and approved by Parliament. Jon
If you are getting that pickey then lets get it right in that it is Statutory Instruments you should be referring to, not Regulations. Additionally the HSE do get involved in the decision making process as the HSC are now part of the former and it was the latter than made the decision re EU Directives etc. To help the original post, sometimes it might be useful to see if your company subscribes to say Barbour or Croner which can also help re regular updates on new SI's and/or consultations on legislative changes or new requirements.
Bob Shillabeer  
#9 Posted : 25 July 2011 19:48:05(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Now children put the toys away and stop fighting over who owns them! The only body who can make laws and regulations is Parliament and it is nothing to do with thier understanding of such things, don't start to think that MPs don't know the law, most of them have a sound background in legal matters. The HSE do get involve, of couirse they do they give advise and help the drafting process, using its own experts to develop them, but they only make suggestions and recommendations they don't make law. To give some advise on how to keep up to date, Barbour have a very good system that for a fee paid annually they will update the loose leaf publication every year for you so you don't need to keep that much actual legislation although it is often good practice to do this from the HSE website or down ooad the new or revised legislation direct from the Gov website.
jay  
#10 Posted : 26 July 2011 07:43:44(UTC)
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jay

Although "Law" is passed by parliament, the regulations (SI's) and orders as far as health & safety is concerned for all practical purposes are drafted, consulted upon and recommeded by HSE Board (previously HSC) to the Secretary of State. 99% of SI's for health and safety are "laid before parlaiment" and not debated at all-so much for the parliament "making" the law. Yes, technically parlianment makes health & safety regulations (SI's), but not in spirit as there is almost not parliamentary discussion. Only Acts of parliament get adequate scrutiny.
JonB  
#11 Posted : 26 July 2011 09:10:07(UTC)
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JonB

For Kralph, I'd concur with Betta - the HSE / Netregs bulletins will keep you abreast of any changes, you can then decide what's relevant to you / your sector and delve as deep as you need to. Jay, you raise an interesting point. Here we are in with a government telling us we have burdensome regulations and too much red tape. You wouldn't by any chance be suggesting that if they actually looked at and debated what they were passing (instead on filing their expense claims) we might have found some of that 'burden' avoided in the first place? (Don't even mention the time and money now being wasted debating, reviewing and telling the public how the HS sector has got it all wrong!).
Fletcher  
#12 Posted : 26 July 2011 09:21:01(UTC)
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Fletcher

Kralph, I get the ebulletins that Betta suggests. Also attending my local IOSH SE meetings usually has some discussion on regulation changes Well said Bob
A Kurdziel  
#13 Posted : 26 July 2011 10:56:48(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Back on to the original post I am not convinced that paid for sites are much use. We used to subscribe to Barbour so that we could save on space and avoid having to keep copies of all of the regs, ACoPs etc. Now these are available on the HSE website to down load for free I can’t see the point of Barbour or Cromer. Other things that we could get were British and other standards but the subscription they charged was in my opinion excessive for the occasional download. As for news, HSE have to consult before the draft new regulations (which is made into law as a Statutory Instrument) There is this idea put about that the HSE like to sneak out regs without people knowing and that people have to be informed or they will get caught out. This does not happen. The new regs go through a long process which usually starts with a piece of European legislation (a directive or regulation) which involves loads of consultation steps. Them they draft UK secondary legislation followed by more UK consultation and a regulatory impact assessment. On then do they actually put up the regs appear either in April or October. Rather than sneaking out legislation the main issue is legislation which we are expecting to suddenly disappear into “consultation hell” for months or years with no clear idea when this was finally appear. For example, following the Pirbright Fiasco, the Callaghan report suggested that the responsibility for enforcing Animal Pathogens legislation (SAPO) should be moved to the HSE. A time table appeared for this programme, involving several stages, including amending the Health and Safety at Work Act ( using a regulatory reform order) and setting up two new regs( using two statutory instruments) to extend the powers of the HSE and to combine the bioagents bit of COSHH with SAPO and GMO regulations. This should have all be in place by October 2010, with a new ACOP. Nothing happened. I happen to meet someone from the HSE Policy unit and they said everything went on hold, while the new government decided to what they were going to do. They decided to proceed with this project but it would not be finished until April 2012 as they first need to deal with the Fees for visits regulations, which the new government regarded as a bigger priority. The thing the policy gonks are really interested in is Lord Young’s idea to consolidate ALL regulations into a single set of easy to understand rules complete with ACoP. That will be fascinating and will keep this forum busy for months This information is free
Zimmy  
#14 Posted : 26 July 2011 11:05:27(UTC)
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Zimmy

Dear Kralph Go straight to the top and email Mr. R Murdoch. He'll know! Don't worry about who makes the law for now, stick to the HSE and you won't go far wrong Zimmy
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