Friends I advise that those who can make comments to the appropriate parties about the current draft HSG65 document ----- If U do not comment U do not get the change that U want; my basic comments are as below. Note especially my comments about the Olympic games system as its ours as the tax payers! """What should happen is that a working example of a complete management system should be included in the guidance as well as just saying to who ever is reading the guide; plan, act etc. This is no more than a revamp and gives no real workable example so nothing has changed noting that time and again businesses want a worked embryo management system so as they can go on and develop their bespoke system from there The Olympic games H&S management system is a complete system which has been paid for by the tax payer so it is not private property – why can we not have this thrown in as the worked example as its already been fully developed""" REgards all

A link to any consulation process would be good. I would never consider HSG 65 to be a wholly 'stand alone' document, and finding a "one size fits all" developed SMS is I think a non-starter. Those Organisations who want to take things further towards intergration of a SMS would presumably look towards OHSAS 18001? The Plan developed for the Olympic facility is not "public property" as you suggest.

I think an example plan is a good idea. Afterall risk assessments are not one size fits all but the HSE has seen fit to provide examples of those. Further to that I would like to see the HSE get off the fence and write an example method statement to try and put an end to the debate and headache that surrounds that. One size does not fit all but an example gives a foundation to start from.

Contact details Try ' rbibbings@rospa.com.' for a route to the draft HSG 65 doc Thanks for the replies A: I am a great believer in the tax payer getting what they deserve as unless somebody updates me differently I am lead to believe that the gov [me & you e.g. the tax payers] provided the money to those producing the various documents to produce them etc so they are not company owned docs/systems they are public owned systems etc. If they are not public owned then there has been another gov failure as the T&C's should have covered this area - they would have covered that area if I was installing the T&C's. If anybody can update me/enlighten me further please do B: In over 35 years of business experience as a senior person I agree that 1 size does not fit all but a one size outline does fit all in my view, and that's all I am asking for. My personal experience indicates that a good base can be used for may different applications/businesses with only a little [not a lot] bit of a tweak c: 18001 etc are great systems [if you can afford them] and when broken down involve systems/ documents etc that at least 80% of the time are no different from one organisation to another apart from the way that one company got there from another company. I have a management system that is used by a laptop dancer club that is also used by a commercial diving company, a fabricators, a special needs organisation, a plastic window production company, a waste collection company and a caterers with a full HACCP - the only differences being some specifics in the various documents and various headings plus logo's etc as training, maintenance, risk assessment, cooperation, communication etc are needs that everybody has and systems to achieve them are mostly the same Friends; these are my person views it does not mean that they are the correct views but I am willing to learn