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Mention of translations in the forum topic "New motto for IOSH" reminds me of the apocryphal tale of an engineering handbook or professional paper which was translated from English to Russian. As the translator had limited technical knowledge, the expression "hydraulic ram" got translated as "wet sheep", much to the amusement or bewilderment of the Russians. This is a mildly amusing story (and not a Friday frivolity, even though today is Friday) and nobody was likely to be harmed by the mistranslation. However, mistranslations and/or ignorance of other cultures can result in public relations and/or financial fiascos. For various examples see http://www.globalization...ry/translation-bloopers/ One quoted example is that of a 3 panel cartoon-style advert for a medicine. The left panel showed someone feeling ill. The middle panel showed the person taking the medicine while the right hand panel showed the person smiling and feeling better. However, the advert was a disaster when used in Arabic countries. Though people in most countries read from left to right, the advertiser didn't know that reading from right to left is the norm in Arabic countries. As a result the initial version of the advert in such countries implied that taking the medicine made people ill! Do any forum users know of translation bloopers or misunderstanding of information in OS&H?
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Just to help this topic along here's an example: In the early 1990s a colleague of mine encountered a painter who thought that "low odour" as a relatively new description for gloss and eggshell type paints meant that the solvents given off by such paints were unlikely to harm him because they were heavier than air. This was an understandable interpretation by the employee. My colleague explained that such paints were formulated with a lower than normal proportion of solvents in order to reduce their potential for harming painters who worked with them. Even so, it was still appropriate to ensure good ventilation when applying such paints.
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Two stories on an episode of QI. One about Alan Davies taking kids to London Zoo. They were told to stay away from the mesh. Kids said they had understood. Later on asked "what is mesh." Other one is Bill Bailey who was told to approach a Jaguar from the front. As he started to move closer the handler said, "oh sorry, should have said never approach from the front." See them on youtube youtube at
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When I started in HSE back in 1995 I was at a team meeting when the PI asked about inspector's outstanding work. There was silence no-one wanted to admit to outstanding work. I was confused as I thought that people would want their work to recognised as outstanding. Where I had worked before people got awards for outstanding work. It was explained to me later that outstanding work in this context was work that hadn't been completed! Divided by a common language.
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Years ago I bought a cheap portable stereo. To turn the thing on and off it said: "Push off button up" The "off button" was actually a dial. Even if it had been a button I think pushing it up would have been impossible.
At work we bought a new plastic moulding machine from Italy. We asked the manufacturer to make sure all of the control panels were clearly labelled and that the manuals were all included at the time of delivery. And they all were - in Italian. doh!
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Thanks to Nick and Martin for reviving this topic with their responses - I'd almost forgotten about starting it.
Martin's note about the Italian moulding machine reminds me of investigating a fairly nasty accident in a care home involving a German-made ironing machine with a rotating heated horizontal roller and metal plates which moved to allow items to be fed to and then pressed against the roller. One of the factors involved was that the machine control labels were in German while the off-on switch was labelled 0 - 1. This binary notation is probably well understood in Europe and elsewhere, but wasn't clear to the late middle-aged operator of the machine prior to her accident.
p.s. I note that both Nick and Martin post-fix their names with 1. In a purely jocular vein, could this be because they are each originals of themselves and fear being confused with any others of the same name?!! Also, for accuracy shouldn't the original version of Martin, just for example, be Martin0 ?!!
While on the same matter, I've noticed that quite a number of forum users have a string of numbers just after their names: Just out of general curiosity, are such numbers chosen randomly or do some have a particular significance? Possibilities include date of birth, vital statistics, military service number, IOSH membership number or even prisoner number!
p.p.s. Have just used the spell-checker facility. It only challenged the "p.s." above and included 'pus' as a suggested alternative. Needless to say, all the alternatives were rejected and especially the one which could be interpreted to mean a septic cat!
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ok.... when I was young and (very) green, about 30 years ago, I worked in a city Supermarket Thursday and Friday nights for some spending money while I was in the sixth form.
It was a bad winter, and the Manager sent us home early one Friday as the snow got worse. "What about next week?" asked one of the lads. "We'll take a rain check" said the Manager.
So, next week it was raining........................... so OBVIOUSLY I didn't go in.
He was from "daarn saaarf" mind, it is (or certainly seemed then to be) a different culture!
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I investigated an accident once when a maintenance engineer got a serious electric shock.
He was working on a bit of electrical equipment which was powered via a big "door handle" switch on the wall.
When he got to the equipment, he looked at the switch and saw it was pointing to the red section, so he switched it to green and started work. BANG!
When interviewed he said he thought it was green for "safe" and red for "danger" so he switched it to safe.
To be fair he had a point so we changed the markings on the switch to "on" and "off" with pictorial symbols as well.
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The red-green confusion is very common. Electricians tend use red to show danger and green safe. At oil or chemical plants you can always tell that an electrician has designed the user interface on the control system because a running pump or open valve will be shown as red. If anyone else has designed it they will be shown in green. I have seen a system where half the pages followed the electricians' convention and the other half followed the opposite.
Also, electricians refer to switches being 'open' and closed. But, because they are referring to the internal connections rather than the flow of electricity this is usually understood by other people as completely the opposite to reality.
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Many years ago while working in Portugal for a very well known over 50,s holiday company the female area manager was invited to "Taste the new wines of the season" this was quite an honour as the invite came from the manager of the best hotel in the resort, the event took place mid-morning the holiday manager had not had any breakfast, she also wasn't a big drinker, after a few drinks she became quite light headed and said to the hotel manager and two of his deputies that she hadn't had any "Fodder" (food) she couldn't understand why the men all looked shocked at her statement until she later found out that the word "Fodder" in Portuguese means the "act of love making"!
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As it's a Friday, & following Sean's lead, I well remember my time as a student at Huddersfield Poly & shared a room with a guy from Harrogate. One day I merely mentioned that I had "let on" to his girlfriend...he had never heard the expression before & demanded an explanation!
I alo remember when I lived in Birmingham & went into a bakers & asked for a "barm cake"; this led to confused looks & I was shown a "tea cake"...but hold on, a tea cake has currents & this didn't! A lively conversation then ensued about what a bap or cob was....very confusing!
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Some good responses so far, including the ones about electricity. More offerings welcome, whether humorous and/or serious.
Here's another from me. My colleagues and I have a small simple noise meter bought in the early 1990s. It was made in Taiwan and the opening paragraph of its instruction leaflet is a hoot:
"It is evident that current fast economic growth and industrial progress brings on us the prosperous outline. Yet accompanied with it, various noise becomes worse; nevertheless, people are forced to pay for such growth and progress. That noise in our surrounding, if for long, will make us nerous (sic) and cause the glandular excretion variation evermore. It is an invisilable (sic) killer in our life. Provide that people get rid of this harm, we are here to present you a compact and facile sound level meter (model ref) for the purpose of measuring the interruption degree of noise accurately and defend against it furthermore."
Surprisingly there's no mention of noise induced hearing loss. However, If any forum users find themselves dealing with situations involving nerous people, glandular excretion variations or invisilable killers, we might be willing to lend our meter for a suitable fee!!!
p.s. The spellchecker facility didn't like "invisilable" and offered numerous alternatives.
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Went on Holiday to Greece in August with a well known UK tour operator, the Fire Notice on the back of the door stated in big bold letters:
IN CASE OF FIRE LEAVE QUIETLY......
Had to chuckle.... and take a photo of course..
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Guy I work with once sent a re organisation proposal to the Managing Director. He attached it to an email with the heading 'Head count'. Unfortunately, he ommitted the letter 'u' !
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belfry1 - Your tale seems to stem from lack of or inadequate proof reading by Guy. Even so, it carries a good lesson for all of us about the need to proof read, especially before sending out important messages and/or to important people. Hope Guy's MD had a sense of humour!
In the 1980s at the start of a fortnight's walking trip in the Pyrenees the expedition leader looked familiar. It transpired that he had been a teacher at the secondary school I attended. Anyhow, he had a fund of amusing tales, including some about our former school. One was about an Australian lady who had taught at the school for a while. On one occasion she was sat in the staff room preparing some work and using her teeth to cut strips of transparent sticky tape from a reel. As she did so she loudly exclaimed "This Durex is really tough" and unwittingly shocked some of the older male teachers. They didn't know that the name she used is the common expression in Australia for transparent sticky tape, and she didn't know that the name in the UK is that of a major and long-established maker of condoms. Sticky tape in the UK and some other countries is commonly known as sellotape. It is actually a trade name but, rather like Hoover, it became a generic noun and verb.
There are numerous examples of words and names which are innocuous in one or more languages but can become offensive, amusing or plain bizarre in other languages. No wonder that when ICI's Pharmaceuticals Division was planning to split (de-merge) from ICI and become a new company, it reportedly spent considerable effort in ensuring that the company's new name was unlikely to offend or amuse people in any language, and found that Zeneca fitted the bill.
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I once closed a letter, instead of typing 'Regards', I accidently hit the key above G and wrote 'Retards'......
Just a little embarrasing...
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Many, many moons ago I atended my 1st planning meeting for a building refurbishment scheme. There were architects, engineers, contractor etc present and my role was to take the meeting notes. After the meting, I spoke with the architect and mentioned that it was a nice touch to have a greenhouse available to use - although I thought that the location was a little unusual but an alternative use for the space. Well, they had been talking about siting the plant room on the roof! I still smile to myself when I think back.......
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Another tale from the expedition leader I mentioned at #15 was about an accident or illness during a mountaineering holiday in the Scottish Highlands which resulted in him spending some time as a patient in Raigmore Hospital at Inverness. One day a nurse approached him with a thermometer and said she was going to put it in his oxter. From the sudden expression of anxiety which appeared on his face, she realised he was English and therefore promptly reassured him that she was referring to an armpit and using a good Scottish word. She perhaps also added that an oxter/armpit was a slightly more hygienic place than the mouth to take someone's temperature.
Another thought: If the thermometer used was made of glass and contained mercury, it was probably less prone to breakage in an oxter than in someone's mouth. Furthermore, if breakage did occur, the presence of broken glass and mercury, even in small amounts, inside a patient's mouth could have posed significant problems. (As a young child I inadvertently broke the bulb off an oral thermometer in my mouth. It gave my mum a fright at the time but, even though I was quite ill with flu or similar, I was promptly able to spit out the glass and mercury.)
Hopefully, medical type thermometers made of fragile glass and containing mercury are now merely historical items - or are they? (I'd better also add an apology to myself for provoking some deviation from my original posting!!!)
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Grahame, I'm wondering if you are living proof that mercury can send you mad?
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walker - I used to think the same myself and even contemplated adding a comment to this effect with my note above about my thermometer crunching experience! Furthermore, some people probably think I'm mad anyway - mercury-induced or otherwise!
On a serious note, one of my joint investigations during my time with HSE was of mercury poisoning in a man who serviced and repaired sphygmomanometers (sphygs), medical devices for measuring blood pressure. His poisoning was caused by unwittingly inhaling mercury vapour derived from various spillages of liquid mercury in a smallish workroom over about a year. I recall that Chris my co-investigator, an Employment Medical Adviser, told me that ingesting liquid mercury was unlikely to cause problems as it would pass through and ultimately be expelled by the digestive system.
By contrast, mercury compounds can cause problems if ingested either directly or within food. This was the case on a massive scale at Minamata Bay in Japan in the 1950s where many people - and animals, including cats - ate fish contaminated by methyl mercury chloride (an organic mercury compound discharged as waste into the bay from a chemical factory) and suffered very serious effects including death. There should be ample information about the case available from an Internet search under "Minamata".
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Graham with great respect I think you will find that Walker's posting is correct.
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We remind users that the original question was "Do any forum users know of translation bloopers or misunderstanding of information in OS&H?"
Please take care to provide bloopers that are relevant to OS&H in the workplace if you wish to continue with this topic.
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