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safetyshoes  
#1 Posted : 17 October 2011 15:10:32(UTC)
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Stuart Hughes

safetyshoes  
#2 Posted : 17 October 2011 15:15:03(UTC)
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Stuart Hughes

Does anyone know when Step Riding ( Riding on the rear of a Dust Cart/ RCV) became Illegal in the UK and under what legislation the change in working practices took place?
RayRapp  
#3 Posted : 17 October 2011 15:48:46(UTC)
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RayRapp

I'm not sure any specific legislation would have prohibited the practice. However, I can think of at least 2 off the top of my head which it would possibly breach - HSWA s2.-(1) if an employee and WAH Regs.
bob youel  
#4 Posted : 17 October 2011 18:17:19(UTC)
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bob youel

It is not illegal; but people will not take the leap and justify it in their R-Assessments etc. Its probably a case of timing etc as if a round is completed on time etc without it why use it/why is it needed?
Graham Bullough  
#5 Posted : 17 October 2011 19:21:32(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

From recollection as an HSE inspector at the time, I think the year was about 1984, but don't take this as reliable. As others have already stated, there was no legislation which specifically made back step riding on RCVs (refuse collection vehicles) illegal. However, I do recall that there was some sort of national agreement between HSE, local authorities with RCVs throughout the UK and probably private operators as well to remove all back steps from RCVs. The aim was to prevent employees from riding on any part of a RCV except inside its cab. The part of HSE which took the initiative was probably its National Interest Group (NIG) which dealt with local authority activities, no doubt in response to various deaths and injuries associated with back step riding. Apparently some operators of RCVs argued that back step riding was okay for short distances and at low speed. The counter-argument was that harm could still occur through falls from RCVs driven at low speed. Also, back step riders had been harmed when vehicles following their RCVs had hit them through failing to stop or slow down sufficiently. Also, some RCV drivers and crews had difficulty in understanding what constituted 'short distances' and/'or low speed'! For example in the early 1980s one of my HSE colleagues in his car encountered and followed a RCV being driven with men on its rear step for a mile or more at speeds of up to 50mph. Needless to say, when the RCV next stopped, my colleague had words with the driver and crew and subsequently their employer!
Graham Bullough  
#6 Posted : 19 October 2011 18:49:33(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

To add to my previous response, it's worth adding that in the early 1980s the relevant HSE NIG (National Industry Group or National Interest Group) was also active in pressing RCV operators to phase out RCVs with dangerous compacting mechanisms designs. Also the NIG almost certainly pressed local authorities and other waste collectors to buy RCVs with hold-to-run 'dead-man' controls for the refuse compaction mechanism cycles. These initiatives by the NIG would have been of little or no interest to journalists and the general public but undoubtedly made a difference to the numbers of RCV crew members who were seriously injured or killed during their work. In about 1985 I attended a serious incident in which a council employee's arm had been trapped at the back of a RCV by the sweeper plate or paddle which rotated around a horizontal axis and pushed refuse from the rear receiving hopper to inside the RCV's big enclosed chamber. The RCV was a 'Scarpa Garwood' of American design. As older forum users with experience of such RCVs might recall, there was very little clearance between the long horizontal edge of the paddle and the inside of the waste receiving hopper. Furthermore, the paddle movement was initiated by one press of a button and had no reverse facility. Though fire fighters were present with vehicle cutting equipment, they had no success in their efforts to cut or dismantle the RCV mechanism to release the employee. Therefore, there was no alternative except for medics to anaesthetise the man and amputate his arm at the scene. The arm had already been badly crushed by the mechanism and would probably have needed amputating later if the man could have been released otherwise from the RCV. If the blatantly dangerous RCV mechanism had been part of a machine in a factory it would have been the subject of an immediate prohibition notice. However, refuse collection was still relatively new to HSE as a work activity (a "new entrant" under the 1974 Act) and being dealt with throughout the UK via pressure from the NIG as described above. It's quite possible that some safety advisers with local authorities, etc liaised with the NIG and helped to push for safer designs of RCVs. No apologies for the above digression from the main topic. Mention of American design RCVs prompts a question: It seems that some American films with street settings in New York feature refuse collections using RCVs with crews on back steps and side steps. Can any forum users who have been to New York and or other parts of the USA in recent years comment as to whether or not RCVs in the USA still have back and side steps? If they don't, perhaps film makers commission the appearance of old RCVs to make their films seem more authentically American, perhaps a bit like having red phone boxes in UK film settings. Another possibility is that the American films on which I've based my impression are quite old now.
Blonde Bandit  
#7 Posted : 21 October 2011 10:00:48(UTC)
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Blonde Bandit

Interesting posts from Graham. I came over all safety geek on holiday in Majorca a couple of weeks ago when I spotted crews riding on the back of vehicles. I had heard of a Local Authority getting into very hot water for this in recent years (not naming names, could be an Urban Legend!) but being on the right side of 30 (not for long) it was the first time I'd actually seen this in practice. I tried to take a picture but on both occasions the vehicles were moving too fast!!
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