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dazholl  
#1 Posted : 17 October 2011 16:33:45(UTC)
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dazholl

Current asbestos awareness training is delivered by our company Health and Safety Officer using the HSE software training package. However, a local company, which our company uses to identify type of asbestos from samples we provide to them for analysis, appears to be 'touting for business' and is attempting to undermine the credibility and 'validity' of our in-house training stating "asbestos awareness training must be carried out by a UKAS approved training provider" (which they just happen to be) . Surely this cannot be true ? We have 40 installers to keep updated so there are quite high cost implications potentially involved here if we have to use such an approved provider every year. Can't see anything in regs or acops reference this......I am getting involved where I shouldn't but have the opinion that our current in-house training is acceptable......do you think like I do that the local company are scaremongering and touting for business??????
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 17 October 2011 16:53:20(UTC)
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RayRapp

There appears to be an obvious vested interest with the UKAS company you cite. I am not aware of the HSE software training package, so I cannot comment on that. I think the answer might be to use a UKAS accredited company for the initial AAT, thereafter to use your in-house safety officer for refresher training using the ACoP guidance on AAT or the aforementioned HSE software. This is the approach which I would advise and have used for annual refresher training. Some may disagree...but I believe it conforms to 'reasonably practicable' qualification for SMEs.
hopeful  
#3 Posted : 17 October 2011 17:35:55(UTC)
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hopeful

I have not seen anything to state this but the HSE are running free courses across the country if you look at their website
John D C  
#4 Posted : 18 October 2011 12:31:36(UTC)
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John D C

UKAS is an accreditation body originally set up for testing laboratories to ensure standards were being maintained at a particular level. It has since developed its services to include management systems but nowhere do they purport to accredit training. There is an organisation UKATA which does accredit organisations and trainers who can meet certain standards relating to asbestos training. There are other organisations that do similar and they are on the HSE asbestos training website. HSE does not endorse any of these organisations although they are working with them on a training initiative. If your H&S officer is using the HSE e- learning package then I would consider that provided he/she has experience with asbestos, not necessarily in removal,and training experience then you will be satisfying the legal requirements. Take care John C
don9366  
#5 Posted : 18 October 2011 15:21:06(UTC)
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don9366

I read somewhere that:- Competence of those providing the training All training should be provided by someone who is competent to do so. The individual must have adequate personal practical experience and someone who has the theoretical knowledge of all relevant aspects of the work to be carried out by the employer. In my view if you want the certificate to have bells attached then go to someone with the ukas but there is a e-learning on-line so if they can do it then i reacon your H&S PERSON ALSO CAN what happens if you need to ask the computer a question.it is much better to come from someone with as above.Not all H&S persons will but if you can show that you have as stated above then go for it and save the company some money. In house training is great as it would be specific to the task/activities you do
Birchall31628  
#6 Posted : 18 October 2011 16:19:31(UTC)
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Birchall31628

As already stated, UKAS is for service providers, IS01720 for Inspection (surveys) and ISO17025 for testing (air testing and bulk sampling and analysis). A trainer not only needs to be competent but to have the necessary training skills. There is no requirement to use a UKAS accredited organisation to undertake your training, they won't be accredited for that.
TSC  
#7 Posted : 06 November 2011 13:08:55(UTC)
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TSC

I think the posts above have covered it with the points.... UKATA is the asbestos training accreditation provider and does it make the training worthwhile still, it depends on who the trainer is and how their style would fit in with your company. I do know a few companies who had this accrediation and decided not to renew for cost cutting purposes. Can a HSE person deliver training, of course they can if they are competent and understand what they are stating. Asbestos Awareness varies depending on what the people you are teaching require. I have delivered this training in the past after sitting BOHS courses and working with asbestos contractors, I could ensure that not only did the training meet the HSE requriements but that to make it easier I could communicate it against company policies and procedures so staff knew exactly what was required. Regards Karel
paul reynolds  
#8 Posted : 06 November 2011 14:58:41(UTC)
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paul reynolds

The word "Competence" comes to mind, I currently deliver asbestos awareness training to our site managers, I have experience in asbestos regarding surveying and have worked in the construction industry all my life so am fully aware of the subject matter. I would like to add that I passed the course on to a friend who now uses it as his companies AA course and has just be accredited by UKATA. So no you do not need to UKAS to deliver the training Regards Paul
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