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Hello All,
Are we really passionate about protecting people??
Considering this specific age of commercialization, diplomacy, cost-effective risk management..
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aamir,
Once again not a single answer, we're all different!
Define passionate? I don't live and breathe my work, I do however take it seriously as I'm paid to do. Others will obviously be different!
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I have been accused on here of being serious about H&S. Perhaps that could be read as passionate?
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I am, and don't see why it can't be cost effective and of commercial value to an organisation. Lots of company's need to demonstrate good safety in order to win contracts and obtain repeat work. I also don't see any commercial value to spending lots of money to train people to do a job and then allow them to become injured and unable to work.
Chris
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It is not all about accusation, it is exchanging expert views, ideas,.. actually we proved to be passionate about protecting people despite all these hurdles, facing bureaucracy, convincing management on all cost management issues, promoting safety culture in a company, etc.
We can easily see, blame culture is promoting in society, accusing health and safety, observed in recent riots in London as well.
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ChrisBurns wrote:I have been accused on here of being serious about H&S. Perhaps that could be read as passionate?
Passionate and serious in this case mean two different things Chris. That's not to say that you're not passionate, I'm sure you are. You've been called 'serious' for other reasons - I suspect!
Now please don't take offence, not intended that way. I don't want another slap from the moderators. You and I are poles apart in how we address H&S. We have to agree to disagree. I accept that. Hopefully you do to.
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I guess we must be a pretty resilient bunch!
I for one find it tedious seeing time and time again workers that are trained, dare I say competent, cutting health and safety corners whenever they can regardless. This is despite them having the correct equipment, knowledge and time to do the job safely!
Its not all about costs and influencing management. Sometimes, try as you might to educate and influence the workforce, they will continue to take risks and abuse safe working practices.
That said, I'm still plugging away flying the 'sensible' flag of health and safety!
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Passionate. "having, compelled by, or ruled by intense emotion or strong feeling".
Mmmm. Not always the best approach to use to protect people; it can frighten people away or make your case easier to ignore.
I read plenty of passion on this forum but I much prefer the committment it demonstrates.
I have always been committed to the protection of people and sometimes I get passionate about it. However, that is usually when I lose the plot ;-)
p48
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pete48 wrote:I have always been committed to the protection of people and sometimes I get passionate about it. However, that is usually when I lose the plot ;-)
p48
P48, I prefer committed and determined rather than passionate, I think I'll keep the passion at home.....
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Clairel wrote:ChrisBurns wrote:I have been accused on here of being serious about H&S. Perhaps that could be read as passionate?
Passionate and serious in this case mean two different things Chris. That's not to say that you're not passionate, I'm sure you are. You've been called 'serious' for other reasons - I suspect!
Now please don't take offence, not intended that way. I don't want another slap from the moderators. You and I are poles apart in how we address H&S. We have to agree to disagree. I accept that. Hopefully you do to.
Claire I do agree to disagree with you, after all it was you who used a well known quote from John McEnroe who said "You cannot be serious" when replying to one of my thoughts :-0
Can I be serious as well as passionate?
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ChrisBurns wrote:Can I be serious as well as passionate?
Absolutely!
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To see examples of passion about protecting people (alias dedication, being serious or whatever words we choose) have a good look through a random selection of the topics and responses which appear on this forum. Though there will never be agreement on the detail, there is surely a common underlying attitude or culture that people's safety, health and wellbeing at work and elsewhere are important.
Another thought about this forum: There is a relatively small minority of people who regularly start and/or contribute to topics on this forum and, it seems, a slightly larger number of occasional starters and responders. However, does anyone know if IOSH can provide any figures as to how many different people, both within and outwith IOSH, use the forum and with what sort of frequency, even if they do no more than look at it?
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I had a stand up argument with a Manager. After I though it best to let my boss know, as I figured there would be a complaint. She said I was passionate about my job and that I did it for the right reasons. She backed me up.
I regret to this day having the argument- not professional at all. I never regret being passionate- I just show it in a different way now.
We are a funny old bunch us fun police, profit prevention officers and any other name people give us.
Andy
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I suspect we are all 'passionate' about h&s, but it is not a term I would use myself. Dedicated, sincere, serious and all of the above. I don't think we practitioners get the plaudits for the difficult job that we do - certainly not reflected in the wages!
I have often described myself as a chameleon, you have to be everything to everyone. If you can achieve that and still keep your job, then you must be doing something right.
Ray
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Like Ray I wouldn't like to be described as 'passionate' as regards my work, mainly because the word usually precedes ones like 'love story' or 'embrace', so I'll go for the other terms he uses.
As for being chameleon-like, that's part of the challenge of working in occupational safety & health and a reflection of its eclectic nature, i.e. drawing on different disciplines including law, ergonomics, psychology and technology to name a few. We deal with a range of people in different organisational cultures with a wide spectrum of activities, hazards and risks - so therefore need to be flexible and adaptable to be effective.
Motorhead - you mentioned regret after your stand up argument with a manager. Perhaps it was an appropriate or even the most appropriate approach at the time for the situation and manager concerned, as indicated by your boss's subsequent support. Sensible idea to let her know - Good bosses prefer to be kept informed of situations which might result in complaints being made to them. If they can say to a complainant that they know about the matter and add what action they've taken or propose, it tends to show them as being in charge and competent. Also, if the manager involved had been unreasonable and provoked you, perhaps your boss was happy to affirm these points to the manager.
Also, though you use 'funny' to imply that OS&H people can be perceived at times by others as strange or odd, some of us certainly enjoy humour and even employ it where appropriate in our work. Humour is a facet displayed in a wide range on this forum and might be one of its attractions, especially when compared with professional OS&H journals which generally seem devoid of humour. Mind you, it's understandable that humour isn't always appreciated by everybody. Some of mine, partly derived from a liking for 'Monty Python' and 'Fawlty Towers' style humour, is probably lost on some forum users - but that's just life.
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Originally Posted by: Graham Bullough Some of mine, partly derived from a liking for ' 
Classic stuff.
I can still recite: Which great opponent of Cartesian dualism.....
"Live at Drury Lane"
Andy
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Passionate - as defined by Dictionary.com
pas·sion·ate /ˈpæʃənɪt/ Show Spelled[pash-uh-nit] Show IPA
adjective
1.having, compelled by, or ruled by intense emotion or strong feeling; fervid: a passionate advocate of socialism.
2.easily aroused to or influenced by sexual desire; ardently sensual.
3.expressing, showing, or marked by intense or strong feeling; emotional: passionate language.
4.intense or vehement, as emotions or feelings: passionate grief.
5.easily moved to anger; quick-tempered; irascible.
Personally I'm not passionate about my work; as Ken said, that's for home. I think the word is overused today by the businness wannabees and the types that appear on "the apprentice".
Do I take my work seriously...yes I do.
Do I get a sence of satisfaction knowing that what I do makes a difference, even if that isn't visible to everyone....yes I do.
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Whilst people are cheap H&S will remain as it is and only enlightened employers will reap the benefits that good management brings because after all good H&S is only about good profit making management and nothing else
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I've overheard myself being described as '... that badgering Elf 'n Safety nutter...', is that passionate enough for you?
Badger
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Barrie(Badger)Etter wrote:'... that badgering Elf 'n Safety nutter...',
Thought that was the strapline for your consultancy.
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safetyamateur wrote:Barrie(Badger)Etter wrote:'... that badgering Elf 'n Safety nutter...',
Thought that was the strapline for your consultancy.
I JUST BURROWED IT ...
BADGER
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Old saying " If you think safety is expensive - Try an accident"
Suppose Im passionate about most things I do but Im more so at my work because of the Moral aspect.
I work for the NHS - It doesnt look good if you injure people in the provision of your business which happens to be "health care"
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