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Hi guys,
I am trying to apply to APS to get recognised as a CDM Co-ordinator. I am filling out the form but, I am struggling. I have been involved in CDM projects for roughly 5 years now, not necessarily as a CDM Co-ordinator, but as the main health and safety adviser for the projects. I have found myself in positions on numerous occasions where I have been compiling all the health and safety CDM plan, file etc. I now want to venture more into the CDM side of things and get registered as a CDM Co-ordinator.
The application form is asking:
Provide a recent real project example of a completed log or record you use to identify pre construction information (or similar) (NB: not the pre construction information itself)
what are they asking for? This baffles me, or maybe we are using something similar and just do not know. Can someone please explain?
I am a chartered member of IOSH and thought membership to APS organisation would be simple!!!
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jarsmith83,
Have you thought about asking the APS for clarification rather than the IOSH forum?
I'm also confused why you thought being CMIOSH would mean a simple route to MaPS!
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As well as a good understanding of the construction process you also need a good understanding of design its principles and processes as the log noted may be a design log
I advise that you chat to somebody in APS to confirm what they are asking for
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Quote=SP900308]jarsmith83,
Have you thought about asking the APS for clarification rather than the IOSH forum?
I'm also confused why you thought being CMIOSH would mean a simple route to MaPS!
Misunderstanding - I was clarifying I am chartered, so that responses are straight forward, and do not think I have just started out in health and safety. I meant, that I thought it would be simple to apply i.e. easy to understand.
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Jarsmith83,
I am RMaPS and only a mere Tech IOSH (10 years in health and safety).
Dare I suggest that most CDM-Cs come from a design (civils) background which goes hand in hand with Bob Youel's preceding post.
Good luck and contact the APS as suggested!
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quote=SP900308]Jarsmith83,
I am RMaPS and only a mere Tech IOSH (10 years in health and safety).
Dare I suggest that most CDM-Cs come from a design (civils) background which goes hand in hand with Bob Youel's preceding post.
Good luck and contact the APS as suggested!
Just to reiterate one last time! I was not suggesting this means I automatically get membership (dare I suggest such a thing lol). I just thought it would help potential contributors to the discussion when compiling their answer. I agree designing is a big aspect of CDM but this was not the question. To break it down, what is a pre construction log? I have spoken to APS and have explained but, I cannot understand the purpose. Is this a mandatory document in the process? I just am a little confused, as I would just compile the info for the pre construction information. Seems like needles paperwork, or again am I missing something?
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Jar,
I am also a Chartered member and I hold Registered Membership of APS which I acquired as MAPS back in 2007 when the process was much simpler. To give you some rational for the current membership application process, this organisation is now trying to jump through the various hoops required to acquire Chartered status for some of its members.
I suspect that they are simply seeking a detailed portfolio from you telling them what CDM experience that you have actually undertaken, i.e. meetings that you have attended, F10 you have submitted, processes that you have undertaken to co-ordinate the construction aspect and what you have learnt from that process.
Unlike in the past where four years construction experience and a NEBOSH Construction Certificate may have got you MAPS membership, on this occasion I suspect that they may only offer you Associate Membership.
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If I remember rightly in the very early days of Planning Supervisers you paid ~£32 or £35 pounds [ I cannot remember the exact fugure] and you automaticially gained your membership irrespective of anything else. The background is thus; the day before the origional CDM regs came in there were no such things as Planning Supervisers and on the day the CDM regs came in there were 1000's of them! We must have had hundreads of holes in the woodwork on that day!!!! Having said that there were some very good PS's and there are some very good CDMC's
As things move things get tighter as has happened so we have to put up with it
One big problem; in my personal view, is that the origional CDM regs and the current set has not had enough input from electro/mechanical construction experts so its a very civils biased law and ACOP etc.
I advise that all who want to become a CDMC to get some proper design experience as just putting packages of documents together is not the only task as its supposed to be a design appraisal role as well although its rare; in my experience; that CDMC's, unless that are designers themselves, are taken note of by designers nor clients
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Quote=bob youel]If I remember rightly in the very early days of Planning Supervisors you paid ~£32 or £35 pounds [ I cannot remember the exact figure] and you automatically gained your membership irrespective of anything else. The background is thus; the day before the original CDM regs came in there were no such things as Planning Supervisors and on the day the CDM regs came in there were 1000's of them! We must have had hundreds of holes in the woodwork on that day!!!! Having said that there were some very good PS's and there are some very good CDMC's
As things move things get tighter as has happened so we have to put up with it
One big problem; in my personal view, is that the original CDM regs and the current set has not had enough input from electro/mechanical construction experts so its a very civils biased law and ACOP etc.
I advise that all who want to become a CDMC to get some proper design experience as just putting packages of documents together is not the only task as its supposed to be a design appraisal role as well although its rare; in my experience; that CDMC's, unless that are designers themselves, are taken note of by designers nor clients
I am always keen on improving myself. If, or when, I do gain full membership, I will still strive to be the best I can be. Is there a designers course you could recommend ?
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