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Hunt42963  
#1 Posted : 14 November 2011 10:00:33(UTC)
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Hunt42963

This standard comes into play at the end of November, are we duty bound to follow the list for the first aid kits even though we are a low risk business?
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 14 November 2011 10:15:55(UTC)
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RayRapp

Without seeing the contents of the BS it is difficult to understand how it might differ from HSE guidance, if at all. British Standards are not legally enforceable, whereas as legislation is, therefore the BS guidance will be sub-ordinate to the Health and Safety (First Aid) Regulations and ACoP, low risk business or not.
chas  
#3 Posted : 14 November 2011 10:18:08(UTC)
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chas

I do not believe you are legally obliged to change what you may already have. Your first aid kit should reflect the types of injuries you are likely to encounter in your workplace. It may however be beneficial to look at what extra items are added under the new BS and consider topping up your existing kits so that they mirror the BS. If you are relpacing an old kit then you should use the BS as the standard kit to obtain and improve on that if the hazards in the workplace warrant it.
smitch  
#4 Posted : 14 November 2011 10:30:43(UTC)
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smitch

Cannot add to details provided above except to say have a look at http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg214.pdf
Q4. if you want to here it from the horses mouth so to speak, lots of other good advice on first aid at work avaliable on the HSE web site as well.

HTH
smitch
A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 14 November 2011 10:35:56(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I think that that Standard is aimed at suppliers rather than users/employers. See http://shop.bsigroup.com.../?pid=000000000030234646 for summary of the standard.
achrn  
#6 Posted : 14 November 2011 10:49:18(UTC)
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achrn

My understanding is that the new BS covering first aid kit contents differs from the HSE guidance in that it more closely aligns with current training (principally more on infection control, eg CPR face-shields, gloves). The HSE contents list has not changed in a long time.

I believe BS kits are likely to be a bit more expensive than HSE-list kits.

There is no requirement to replace existing kits, but because the content of the new BSI Standard kits is supposedly more practical and better fits the needs of modern first aid treatment, if you buy a new kit it might be better to buy a BS one rather than an HSE one.

Neither BS nor HSE kits are statutory or mandatory though, so you can do a risk assessment (!) and define your own contents.
Hunt42963  
#7 Posted : 14 November 2011 11:20:54(UTC)
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Hunt42963

Thank you every one, that is just what I thought but it is always good to have a second (or more) opinion.

Regards
Chris.
jarsmith83  
#8 Posted : 15 November 2011 15:23:35(UTC)
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jarsmith83

Interesting comments on this post.

I have taken an interst in this one as someone working for my company as a safety advisor has ordered everyone to change their kits immeditaly in order to comply with these standards. MY question was, why are we changing these kits straight away, as there is not legal requirement for these, and phsing them in would be a better strategy.


Thoughts please?

bit more info - We are both competent safety advisors, with different opinions.
MaxPayne  
#9 Posted : 15 November 2011 15:48:49(UTC)
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MaxPayne

Ron Hunter  
#10 Posted : 15 November 2011 17:01:45(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Perhaps yet another occasion when the spurious articles will start to appear in the trade press and elsewhere suggesting to the unwary that what you've currently got will now no longer do?
I seem to recall a similar rash of articles not so long ago telling us we had to replace all our H&S Law posters immediately.

Has your colleague perhaps been hoodwinked by a misleading article somewhere jarsmith83?
Dave C  
#11 Posted : 15 November 2011 18:16:02(UTC)
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Dave C

Here I sit looking at the latest brochure from my First Aid suppliers - New BS-8599-1 Compliant Workplace first aid kits emblazoned across the front page!! I'm not getting conned into replacing my current 10/20 man first aid kits which have done us well for years when there's no need to, I can add any additional items. I'll consider replacing them with BS standard kits when the contents of the current one are nearing expiry date (which is another thing that hacks me off); or when required to under any new legislation. I rung up recently to order some ice packs and couldn't get my order out before they started spouting off about having to replace my first aid kits!! Good old cash cow for these first aid suppliers!
Canopener  
#12 Posted : 15 November 2011 18:45:05(UTC)
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Canopener

Yes, I am wondering if this is another of those occasions when the marketing department goes into overdrive in a bid to increase sales?

Fire extinguishers and BS EN 3 (I think) are ringing a bell somewhere in the dim and distant past!

Can any elaborate what if any significant changes or implications there are attached to this? I suspect few if any!
Martin Gray  
#13 Posted : 15 November 2011 19:08:41(UTC)
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Martin Gray

Can I suggest that you look at the HSE frequently asked questions. They have a heading First Aid Kits and British Standard 8599. They have answered the question for us all
Canopener  
#14 Posted : 15 November 2011 19:12:12(UTC)
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Canopener

Thank you Martin, that's that one cleared up then :-)
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