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RayRapp  
#1 Posted : 18 November 2011 10:04:50(UTC)
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RayRapp

I have been tasked with providing a pre-start presentation for a large construction project, presumably as a test because they want it by tomorrow! I know nothing about the project except that it is in the Middle East for the national water company and probably a new water treatment plant. I have been provided with some documentation regarding PTW systems, hazardous job categories, hazardous systems and processes, general site hazards, etc. It appears these topics are in relation to implementing a robust PTW system. The request specifically asks for: Project synopsis Action plan to include road map (example provided) Deliverables and the project outcome I'm feeling a bit out of my depth with this one. I have never been involved with a major project from the off, let alone in the middle of a desert, and to be honest I'm not sure what they are asking for, whether I have enough information about the project and what format to deliver it - apart from that no problemo! I guess I need some advice/ inspiration to get me started - anyone care to help please?
SteveL  
#2 Posted : 18 November 2011 11:01:29(UTC)
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SteveL

Well you cannot give a synopsis unless you know what the job is. Concerning the action plan, is that project plan or H&S plan? Same with the deliverables and project out come. Would that be H&S or contractual As they have provided PTW systems and site hazards then presumably they are looking at H&S So maybe the action plan is how it is intended to ensure implementation of safety throughout the project. Key mile stones to be reached within project. Vulnerabilities within the plan and actions on how to prevent. IE project over running and short cuts taken. And the out come I would surmise is completion within time and budget, delivering the services expected with no majors or fatalities.
RayRapp  
#3 Posted : 18 November 2011 11:15:40(UTC)
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RayRapp

Thanks Steve, yes very difficult to provide a synopsis with knowing the task. The action plan etc is indeed safety related. My preference for is via a Word document with perhaps a table inserted deliverables with timescales. Can't help but feel I'm stabbing in the dark. Comments appreciated. Ray
David Bannister  
#4 Posted : 18 November 2011 11:42:10(UTC)
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David Bannister

Ray, is it possible to say "NO, your request does not allow sufficient time"? I recollect that you are in a new job and sometimes setting out some ground rules can be useful later on, although not always possible. No is a powerful weapon when used in the right circumstances ( NOT banning stepladders, hanging baskets, school trips etc).
RayRapp  
#5 Posted : 18 November 2011 12:11:30(UTC)
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RayRapp

Stuff This is a task for a prospective employer and I strongly suspect it is a test of my...ability (probably patience and other things) and therefore saying No, is not really a good option. I said No in my last job and now I'm looking for a new job!
firesafety101  
#6 Posted : 18 November 2011 12:33:47(UTC)
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firesafety101

Ray, you don’t want to look as if you have just thrown something together, I’m sure you will wish to look professional and let them know that you know your stuff. Why not talk them through your management regime i.e. CDM regs. Fire safety rules, Monitoring procedures – daily weekly monthly, who would be responsible for what, how much input and support you require from senior management etc. etc. etc. I know this is not what is asked for but during your talk you could ask for the further information you need, you never know they may not be too well up on H&S and could be stabbing in the dark themselves? You could take this chance to let them know what standards of H&S you expect – I note it is abroad – UK H&S is a high standard and if you wish to adopt that you may be seen in a better light than accepting a poorer standard as in some countries. I recently visited a site on one of our offshore islands where H&S is not the same standard as ours. I spoke to a HSE Inspector over there before I went and he told me they will accept our level as it is higher than theirs. Forgive me if I’ve gone off track – good luck.
Ron Hunter  
#7 Posted : 18 November 2011 13:48:38(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Hell's Bells Ray, that's some "next day" ask! I would expect such a thing to take weeks and involve an entire Team. I can only suggest that there are 'generics' out there, such as: http://www.ucor.com/_docs/ffa/ann_out/pccr.pdf or http://www.ncdot.org/doh...ild/R2632AA/synopsis.pdf which might enable you to suggest a template? Our own L144 might be of use too, but without the details I can't see how anyone could expect you to produce anything more than a template? You'll gather I've gleaned the above links via Google. I take it you won't be going to bed tonight........
RayRapp  
#8 Posted : 18 November 2011 14:11:07(UTC)
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RayRapp

Chris, thanks but not delivering it in person, hence it needs to be documented. Ron, really appreciate the heads up and links. I think I have enough information to make a fist of it - or something like that! Just need some candles now...LOL.
bob youel  
#9 Posted : 18 November 2011 15:52:26(UTC)
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bob youel

RR I have tons of stuff but with such a short deadline??? Use the management system you use here in the UK as it should be basicially the same that you use anywhere [the 80-20 rule] so use that as your base and tweak to suit One thing that I must highlight is copywrite; as I very strongly suggest that you copywrite all that you send through as its your creation and it would not be the first time that such stuff was used by others Many years ago I went for a job and was given a desk top evaluation task and 2 hours to do it in as part of the job interview -------- I did it in <5mins! The prospective employer was supprised and when I told them who the origional author was they were even more embarrised; as it was me!. I got the job! The point being is that they stole my system and had renamed / repackaged it and used it as their job test document and SMS so my point here is that people could do the same with your stuff as you are not presenting the work directly yourself ---- sorry for the negative! Best of luck
RayRapp  
#10 Posted : 18 November 2011 17:43:39(UTC)
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RayRapp

Hi Bob Here what you are saying but I doubt what I will send in such a short space of time is likely redesign the wheel. Incidentally, what is the [80-20 rule]?
Ron Hunter  
#11 Posted : 20 November 2011 23:53:43(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

RR: Hope you'll let us know how things went for you with this.
bob youel  
#12 Posted : 21 November 2011 07:41:35(UTC)
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bob youel

80-20 rule The rule comes from a 'Parato' theory [My memory is poor but its from the days I did engineering maths] In very basic terms it means that [for instance] 80% of what is in one safety management system that is created for one business should apply for any other similar [similar - but not necessarily exactly alike] business so you should only need to tweak etc the remaining 20% to make it 100% bespoke. My point was that your SMS example could have been used [with little tweaking] to run their job for them I have used this mathematical relationship when looking at SMS's [& other areas] for may years have found it to work so I have proved wrong those that say we are unique when in fact 80% of what applies in one areas also applies in other areas Please note this my interpretation. So I advise that U study up on Parato to get up to date info
RayRapp  
#13 Posted : 21 November 2011 09:23:48(UTC)
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RayRapp

Bob, I Googled it after my last posting. Pareto rule (80/20) interesting, I suggest it is more allegorical than fact, not dissimilar to the Bird/ Heinrich pyramid hypothesis. I'm sure I will be able to baffle someone with it in the near future. Ron, indeed I will. Having worked my socks off most of Saturday producing a 1,737 word document and sent it within the time requested, I now find out that they do want a PP presentation! I have also been asked to make 8 inclusions of various descriptions eg formal contractor PTW system, taking into account accidents history, results of risk assessments, interviews with employees and contractors, client feedback, etc. Talk about drip feed.
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