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chas  
#1 Posted : 18 November 2011 13:38:25(UTC)
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chas

On the completion of a construction project if a Principal Contractor fails to provide a H&S File or sufficient information so that the CDM Co-ordinator can put one together is there any liability on the Client if they have taken posession of and now occupy the premises for which the Principal Contractor was responsible for during the construction phase?
Ron Hunter  
#2 Posted : 18 November 2011 14:00:23(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Yes. However, Regulation 17 of CDM states "reasonable steps" and I guess that never has been, and is probably unlikely ever to be, tested. It would certainly be reasonable to pursue the PC via contract terms, and that could ultimately end up in a civil court. In other respects it could be reasonable (the safety-critical aspect of the missing information dictating what constitutes "reasonable") to commission or recommission designers, contractors or other specialists to provide the missing information. The worst-case outcome would be an accident arising directly as a result of that missing information. The material breach due to the occupying employer is then likely to be linked to some more immediately relevant legislation and it seems unlikely that a potentially long-standing failure to comply with CDM Reg17 would be pursued. The potential for injury, loss, civil and criminal proceedings would ultimately determine the effort to be applied in recovering what should be considered "preventative" information?
bob youel  
#3 Posted : 18 November 2011 15:57:01(UTC)
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bob youel

NB: Its the CDMC who is supposed to provide such a file and it is they who have committed an offence if 1 is not provided - All the PC does is contribute to it but most clients do not know that one should exist in the first place
firesafety101  
#4 Posted : 18 November 2011 16:10:29(UTC)
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firesafety101

I agree with bob but it is a thankless task chasing up the info for the File. CDM-C has to do it however.
Ron Hunter  
#5 Posted : 18 November 2011 16:36:50(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

You can take a great deal of pain out of that thankless task by ensuring (by contract) that a significant chunk of the contractor's fee is withheld until he comes up with the goods. In any Project, the information that will be required for the File can be anticipated and specified in the PCI and the good CDM-C will know at what point in the Construction Phase that relevant bits will be available. Certainly thankless ( and very poor practice) to wait until the end of the Project, when all the various subbies & specialists have long gone...........
boblewis  
#6 Posted : 18 November 2011 17:15:51(UTC)
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boblewis

Ron I am withyou here. Good CDMCs will be chasing up the information throughout the job not at the end. If you have not got the steel frame info. for instance at the time of PR Com. then you will never get it. A client liability does exist to keep the file maintained until the next round of notifiable work occurs. Hard to think of one that does this even half well. Bob
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