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grim72  
#1 Posted : 25 November 2011 10:33:31(UTC)
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grim72

Saw this one on the BBC News site http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-15878361 Basically the council has decided to stick signs onto big rocks on a beach to warn people from climbing on them in case they fall off. They look awful too. I despair!
flysafe  
#2 Posted : 25 November 2011 10:42:09(UTC)
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flysafe

I wish this was only a Friday post and was not true!!
grim72  
#3 Posted : 25 November 2011 10:43:29(UTC)
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grim72

I must admit, I had to check the date wasnt April 1st when I saw it.
walker  
#4 Posted : 25 November 2011 10:59:02(UTC)
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walker

Can Dave Young & Eric Pickles visit this LA and duff them up a bit?
walker  
#5 Posted : 25 November 2011 11:08:48(UTC)
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walker

This reminds me of the most effective warning sign I’ve ever seen: At the foot of Humphrey Head, near Grange over Sands Cumbria There is a discreet bronze plaque says (something like) this memorial is to Joe Bloggs all who at the age of 10, fell from these cliffs and was killed. May it serve as a warning to anyone thinking of climbing these rocks.
Andrew W Walker  
#6 Posted : 25 November 2011 11:11:07(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

If people really do need signs like that, then they are in a bad way- they would also get hit by vehicles, trip over kerbstones, drink petrol from the pumps, vote Lib Dem, forget to put one foot in front of the other when trying to walk, watch Jeremy Kyle, forget to breath out, forget to breath in, be unable to tie their own shoes- let alone a tie!- the list could go on. H&S madness indeed. Thank God its Friday Andy
firesafety101  
#7 Posted : 25 November 2011 11:26:49(UTC)
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firesafety101

Thin end of the wedge if you ask me. Now that they have warned about those rocks surely they should now warn about every rock on their coastline. Even I think it is OTT.
HSSnail  
#8 Posted : 25 November 2011 11:28:48(UTC)
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HSSnail

Not Health and Safety but insurance madness I fear. I know people that work in LA and you would not believe the claims are brought against them where "warning signs" have not been in place. I can just see the situation now - the LA put these rocks in place and did not warn my client that they should not climb them so the la is responsible for the broken leg! I have seen 2 news paper reports in Yorkshire where people are calling for long stretches of rivers in York and Leeds to be better fenced after tragic drowning of people who had consumed 2 much alcohol. When will this government get to the real H&S issues they Lord Young identified and stop arguing that as a profession we are responsible for the recent riots and get in business way. Sorry Friday rant over.
bod212  
#9 Posted : 25 November 2011 11:41:21(UTC)
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bod212

We really are between a rock and hard place with the media in this country...
peter gotch  
#10 Posted : 25 November 2011 13:16:39(UTC)
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peter gotch

There's a general view amongst those involved in coastal engineering that rock armour is more dangerous than natural features, so signage to warn of entrapment rather than falling is fairly standard practice, but with much less intrusive signage than "A4". http://publications.envi...PDF/SCHO0809BQVS-E-E.pdf
Ken Slack  
#11 Posted : 25 November 2011 13:25:49(UTC)
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Ken Slack

Following a recent thread on this forum, if there is a danger, then they shouldn't rely on signs and they should put up a physical barrier........ Only joking BTW ;c)
HSSnail  
#12 Posted : 25 November 2011 13:40:35(UTC)
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HSSnail

Ken I think you are correct - maybe a barb wire fence would do the job
grim72  
#13 Posted : 25 November 2011 13:49:09(UTC)
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grim72

Brian that's a good suggestion. Of course they'd have to put a barbed wire fence around the barbed wire fence to stop anyone getting snagged on it.
David H  
#14 Posted : 25 November 2011 13:55:26(UTC)
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David H

"If people really do need signs like that, then they are in a bad way- they would also get hit by vehicles, trip over kerbstones, drink petrol from the pumps, vote Lib Dem, forget to put one foot in front of the other when trying to walk, watch Jeremy Kyle, forget to breath out, forget to breath in, be unable to tie their own shoes- let alone a tie!- the list could go on" In my neck of the woods, people regularly do all that - except for drinking the petrol straight from the pumps (they drink it through the syphon tube) David
Ken Slack  
#15 Posted : 25 November 2011 14:02:21(UTC)
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Ken Slack

grim72 wrote:
Brian that's a good suggestion. Of course they'd have to put a barbed wire fence around the barbed wire fence to stop anyone getting snagged on it.
Don't forget the signs warning of the danger of both barb wire fences....
Tigers  
#16 Posted : 25 November 2011 14:34:54(UTC)
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Tigers

Don't forget to remind people not to touch the sign as the edges may be sharp
Irwin43241  
#17 Posted : 25 November 2011 14:41:32(UTC)
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The sign is a complete waste of time. Why? Because like most safety related signage it will be ignored.
martin1  
#18 Posted : 25 November 2011 14:51:11(UTC)
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martin1

Why scoff? These signs will stop many scrapped knees and provide useful advice to those of us not blessed with the full set of life skills. Normally known as "idiots". We need more signs - not less. And they should be bigger. And they should be put on the steps down to the beach as well. And the steps should be marked with bright yellow paint. And someone should sweep any sand from the steps at least twice a day after erecting a sign saying "Warning Sand Sweeping in Progress". And there should be a big sign near the waters edge saying "Danger - water may be wet or cold -can cause wrinkling to skin" or possibly "This is not drinking water". It is a fundemental part of our role to encourage signs, posters and other notices. For all your sign needs please contact me at www.Martin1Signsltd.co.uk
NickH  
#19 Posted : 25 November 2011 14:53:23(UTC)
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NickH

Irwin43241 wrote:
The sign is a complete waste of time. Why? Because like most safety related signage it will be ignored.
That's a rather sweeping statement, right there.
Irwin43241  
#20 Posted : 25 November 2011 15:02:23(UTC)
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nickh wrote:
Irwin43241 wrote:
The sign is a complete waste of time. Why? Because like most safety related signage it will be ignored.
That's a rather sweeping statement, right there.
The fact is it's true.
descarte8  
#21 Posted : 25 November 2011 15:23:48(UTC)
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descarte8

I would bet that the signs which are attached to the rocks are slippery when wet too and in fact pose more of a risk than standing on the rock its self. Maybe signs warning of this risk should be erected close to the others. To prevent these generating a slip hazard these should be free standing. Though people could walk in to these free standing signs and injure themselves, more signs should be placed further away warning them of the danger of these signs. These further signs warning of the other signs should be hung from wires to prevent further hazards... But could inturn....... In fact since this could go on for a long time, could we just not put a sign on the inside of everyones front door warning them before the go outside "DANGER!" Des
Andrew W Walker  
#22 Posted : 25 November 2011 15:25:37(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

descarte8 wrote:
I would bet that the signs which are attached to the rocks are slippery when wet too and in fact pose more of a risk than standing on the rock its self. Maybe signs warning of this risk should be erected close to the others. To prevent these generating a slip hazard these should be free standing. Though people could walk in to these free standing signs and injure themselves, more signs should be placed further away warning them of the danger of these signs. These further signs warning of the other signs should be hung from wires to prevent further hazards... But could inturn....... In fact since this could go on for a long time, could we just not put a sign on the inside of everyones front door warning them before the go outside "DANGER!" Des
Best post of the day!!!!!
martin1  
#23 Posted : 25 November 2011 15:27:43(UTC)
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martin1

Descarte8 I agree with you, good to see some one is not being silly over this thing, - but don't forget you need a sign on both sides of the door - there is danger inside and outside the home you know?
Irwin43241  
#24 Posted : 25 November 2011 15:48:12(UTC)
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Martin1 wrote:
Descarte8 I agree with you, good to see some one is not being silly over this thing, - but don't forget you need a sign on both sides of the door - there is danger inside and outside the home you know?
Brillant!
NigelB  
#25 Posted : 25 November 2011 15:53:23(UTC)
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NigelB

At the bottom of the BBC 'don't walk on the rocks sign' article was a link to a - presumably - less important story regarding a memorial service to the four men killed in the Gleision mining tragedy. The link was wedged between the 'Share this page' invite and the 'BBC © 2011 The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites.' disclaimer at the bottom of the page. On clicking the link the whole article appeared and was quite moving. The First Minister, Carwyn Jones, said: "If we are honest, we thought that the days of losing loved ones underground were behind us. Unfortunately, we were wrong." One of the widows is quoted as saying: '"When our husbands died... you're just in this bubble and you still are to this day," Apparently at the same memorial service: 'The service is also paying tribute to a five-year-old boy who died in an accident in nearby Alltwen during the same week. Harry Patterson suffered head injuries in an incident involving a family car on the driveway of his home on 13 September. Mourners at his funeral also observed a minute's silence for the miners.' Presumably this is the BBC is keeping health and safety in perspective. Cheers. Nigel
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