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safetyinspector2009  
#1 Posted : 06 December 2011 08:55:34(UTC)
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safetyinspector2009

I attended my CCNSG safety passport renewal yesterday and the tutor is on the assessment and prosecution board for the HSE and also a previous inspector advised that the UK government had agreed to adopt the new EU directive for safety signs due to come in during 2012, changing signs such as yellow hazard signs to a universal white background.

Does anyone know any more about this?

Thanks
Ron Hunter  
#2 Posted : 06 December 2011 09:22:55(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Were they perhaps referring to safety labels on packaging:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/ghs/implications.htm

Ron Hunter  
#3 Posted : 06 December 2011 09:30:44(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Incidentally, although there is some transitional work required on our UK Regs, the implementation date for globally harmonised signs on packaging is 2015.
Interesting choice of words in your post there, safetyinspector "the UK government has agreed to adopt...."
As if they have a choice!
jay  
#4 Posted : 06 December 2011 12:10:13(UTC)
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jay

The term "safety signs" is not used for chemical "hazard symbols" .

I am not aware that there is any amendment to the Safety and/or Health Signs Directive 92/58/EEC.

The chemical hazard symbols that form a part of the classification and for labelling of chemicals, globally and in the EU is undergoing a huge change. The global changes are due to the work done at UN level since 1992 that culminated in the globally Harmonised System (GHS) for Classification & Labelling of Chemicals, with the first system published in 2005 with biennial updates. The EU adopted the GHS with a direct acting "EU-Regulation" (not a directive!) after "agreement" at EU level through the "CLP Regulations"

The transition for having the new hazard symbols for "substances" has passed, it was 1st December 2010. The deadline for transition to "mixtures" is 1st June 2015

http://www.hse.gov.uk/ghs/index.htm

http://www.hse.gov.uk/ghs/implications.htm

http://www.hse.gov.uk/ghs/eureg.htm

jay  
#5 Posted : 06 December 2011 12:22:51(UTC)
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jay

It is surprising that somehow all legislation changes are "blamed" on the EU, even when the GHS changes that resulted in the CLP regulation for Europe are meant to improve the communication of chemical hazards in the use of chemical globally, so that there are not very different systems of classification and labelling of chemicals throughout the world. We have/had different systems in USA, Canada, Australia, Japan, China, EU, etc etc--all have agreed to adopt GHS.

Even the Lofstedt Report states that :-
"........Although the EU has driven UK health and safety regulation over the last thirty years, perhaps less important than the extent of regulation originating from the EU is the way in which it is formulated. After all, Michael Connarty, the former Chairman of the EU Scrutiny Committee in the House of Commons is reported as saying that “probably 90 per cent” of all EU laws currently in force in the UK would have existed even in the absence of the EU"
jay  
#6 Posted : 06 December 2011 12:32:10(UTC)
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jay

It appears that the "grapevine" has lost in its translation. It is the proposed the adoption of ISO 7010 by the Eurpean Standards making body will have sublte changes, BUT it will be a new STANDARD, not a directive or regulation. Sign suppliers seem to be misleading as usual mentioning standards as lkegislation!--example below!

http://blog.stocksigns.co.uk/iso-7010-an-overview/

http://www.stocksigns.co.../safety-sign-legislation
mylesfrancis  
#7 Posted : 06 December 2011 13:14:09(UTC)
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mylesfrancis

Off topic, but I'm interested in the tutor being on the "assessment and prosecution board" for the HSE. Despite 13+ years with HSE, that's one board I've never heard of!
safetyinspector2009  
#8 Posted : 06 December 2011 13:27:09(UTC)
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safetyinspector2009

Its possibly the way I phrased it

he was a mines and quarry inspector then a HSE inspector for 20 years involved in oil and offshore before acting and still is acting as a prosecutor for the HSE
Ron Hunter  
#9 Posted : 06 December 2011 14:25:37(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

safetyinspector2009 wrote:
acting and still is acting as a prosecutor for the HSE


Nope, I don't get that either.
mylesfrancis  
#10 Posted : 06 December 2011 16:39:42(UTC)
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mylesfrancis

I guess he's either still an HSE Inspector (so technically a prosecutor), or has qualified as a lawyer and either a solicitor working for one of the firms HSE appoints as solicitor agents, or a barrister on the Attorney General's approved list for HSE prosecutions.

Or he's BSing! :-)
stillp  
#11 Posted : 06 December 2011 16:49:12(UTC)
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stillp

mylesfrancis wrote:
I guess he's either still an HSE Inspector (so technically a prosecutor), or has qualified as a lawyer and either a solicitor working for one of the firms HSE appoints as solicitor agents, or a barrister on the Attorney General's approved list for HSE prosecutions.

Or he's BSing! :-)

Given the misinformation stated in the first posting, probably the latter!
jay  
#12 Posted : 06 December 2011 17:39:04(UTC)
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jay

Reverting to the original post, and googling prEN 7010 , it appears that a majority of safety signs suppliers are not being straight with its information to clients by construing that somehow, the proposed European standard is part & parcel of health & safety legislation. Yes, there is a link, but it is not a big change and also, there is no need to replace existing signs--just an example that would have been ideal for Lofstedt Report on how some parts of the health & safety supply industry can influence those who do not know better!

There is a BS ISO 7010:2011 that supersedes BS 5499-5:2002 which is withdrawn!
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