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BuzzLightyear  
#1 Posted : 12 December 2011 16:47:53(UTC)
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BuzzLightyear

According to the "Tips & Advice Health and Safety" bulletin, Lord Young is back; "As we reported in 2010, Lord Young was appointed by the government to review health and safety. But just as his recommendations were starting to take effect, he got the sack for making an unpopular public statement. Now, nearly a year after he left his position, he's returned to take up his role as an adviser to the government. As before, one of the subjects he's going to focus on is health and safety. Although we don't expect him to come up with anything new, he's likely to push forward the plans that he started in 2010." I despair!
sean  
#2 Posted : 13 December 2011 08:14:41(UTC)
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Please tell me this isnt true!! P.S. love your Avatar
Dougc  
#3 Posted : 13 December 2011 08:21:26(UTC)
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Dougc

He will probably be leading the charge to repatriate powers (especially health and safety) from Europe that his former boss signed away or are we not allowed to mention/confuse the argument with the facts.
walker  
#4 Posted : 13 December 2011 08:21:43(UTC)
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walker

He sneaked back in as an advisor about 4 months ago
BuzzLightyear  
#5 Posted : 13 December 2011 09:23:30(UTC)
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BuzzLightyear

Really? Is this the way politics works? So someone is forced to resign after saying or doing something that is seen as damaging to the image of the party, they just stay low - out of the media spotlight for a few months and sneak back in as an adviser, until the general public have forgotten their wrong-doing?
Paul Duell  
#6 Posted : 13 December 2011 09:58:15(UTC)
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Paul Duell

BuzzLightyear wrote:
Really? Is this the way politics works? So someone is forced to resign after saying or doing something that is seen as damaging to the image of the party, they just stay low - out of the media spotlight for a few months and sneak back in as an adviser, until the general public have forgotten their wrong-doing?
Unfortunately this is exactly how it works - remember under t'other lot how often Mandelson resigned, only to slide back in under the radar when the furore had died down? I predict interesting times ahead - although his absence didn't stop the review of RIDDOR or the plans for consultancy regulation. I know these are both moving slowly but I suspect if LY had been around they wouldn't have gone much faster.
Ron Hunter  
#7 Posted : 13 December 2011 11:54:07(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

BuzzLightyear wrote:
According to the "Tips & Advice Health and Safety" bulletin, Lord Young is back; "As we reported in 2010, Lord Young was appointed by the government to review health and safety. But just as his recommendations were starting to take effect, he got the sack for making an unpopular public statement. Now, nearly a year after he left his position, he's returned to take up his role as an adviser to the government. As before, one of the subjects he's going to focus on is health and safety. Although we don't expect him to come up with anything new, he's likely to push forward the plans that he started in 2010." I despair!
Can you provide a source reference or link to this statement please?
BuzzLightyear  
#8 Posted : 13 December 2011 12:00:54(UTC)
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BuzzLightyear

I thought I did? "Tips & advice Health and Safety" bulletin. It was the 12 December edition - by Indicator Ltd www.indicator.co.uk Editor in chief is Simon Wakeham CMIOSH MIIRSM If you are asking me about their source, I'm afraid I have no idea.
Ron Hunter  
#9 Posted : 13 December 2011 13:35:11(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I'd no idea what the "Tips & Advice Health and Safety bulletin" was. A subscription service I see.
Ron Hunter  
#10 Posted : 13 December 2011 13:47:51(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Lord Young's name doesn't appear in the 2011 List of Special Advisers at: http://network.civilserv...ion-special-advisers#dwp Perhaps you could ask the Editor of that subscription service to clarify.
walker  
#11 Posted : 13 December 2011 15:05:47(UTC)
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walker

Ron, He is definetly back in - Business czar or summat Have a wider google its there if you look
johnmurray  
#12 Posted : 13 December 2011 18:35:10(UTC)
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johnmurray

"Lord Young will return to Downing Street this week to work as David Cameron’s enterprise adviser" http://www.telegraph.co....turns-to-Downing-St.html Been back a while now....... 15 seconds is a long time in politics.
johnmurray  
#13 Posted : 13 December 2011 18:44:28(UTC)
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johnmurray

You already know what the gov are going to do. Less HSE inspectors, less visits by those remaining. Hey....if you get injured at work and, for instance, get a spinal injury (two prolapsed discs) you do not even get sick pay now.... So...you won't hear many workers moaning about the hardships that H&S pros' are going to be going through.....pay down by 3% per annum, company pension disappeared, holidays cut, no sick pay (even salaried), not much chance of compensation for injury (once the no-win-no-fee is dumped).....union reps in gov told to sling their hooks... Yep. H&S is just going to have to swallow the same medicine, from the same bunch of chancers and expense fiddlers, that workers have had for a few years now.............don't forget, this "be kind to what industry we have" started under Neu-Labour. Not much chance of the person who likes to be called prime minister doing much.....he will however walk over red hot glass to appease the City.... Face it, if you actually have to DO some work then you are just a social loser to .gov.uk Oh, and I note that the .gov.uk is proposing closing ALL local DVLA offices....
Ron Hunter  
#14 Posted : 13 December 2011 20:07:54(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I stand corrected. Humble apologies. Apparently he was smuggled back under the radar in October! http://www.number10.gov.uk/news/adviser-appointed/ Looks like we're going for 3rd World working conditions to match up with our 3rd World economy then?
NigelB  
#15 Posted : 13 December 2011 20:34:04(UTC)
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NigelB

Ron I would be surprised if he never went away in the first place - just sat under the radar pulling strings!! The extent of the Government's 'light-touch risk-based system' for enforcement can be gleamed from 'Transforming Regulatory Enforcement - Government Response to the Consultation on Transforming Regulatory Enforcement. Can be found at: www.bis.gov.uk/assets/bi...ment-government-response 'We will expect to see a significant reduction in state-led enforcement activity each and every year throughout this Parliament.' Not so much writing on the wall but blasted out in 100 foot letters - Business Rules OK!! Makes interesting reading though. David Young should love it. No doubt this will be as equally successful as the 'light touch' regulation of the banking sector culminating in the 2008 collapse. Cheers. Nigel
townshend1012  
#16 Posted : 13 December 2011 20:45:22(UTC)
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townshend1012

Don't suppose there's any slim chance of LY having a conversation with Loftstedt and coming to a concensus. We might have some idea of what's going on then!! Anybody know what's happening? No! Let's call a committee meeting.
Ron Hunter  
#17 Posted : 14 December 2011 12:48:35(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Given the current prevalence of Thatcherite doctrine (c.f. recent Lisbon Treaty issues) I suppose it's hardly surprising that LY will continue to enjoy a "special relationship" with the current PM when his special input ('he brings me solutions') was so much admired by the Iron Lady herself during her time in office. There must be an awful lot of revolving doors at the entrances to the corridors of power.........
walker  
#18 Posted : 14 December 2011 13:31:40(UTC)
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walker

One of LY famous solutions is the major cause of the current proliferation of ambulance chasers.
Irwin43241  
#19 Posted : 14 December 2011 15:31:42(UTC)
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He is back to push through an agenda of 'Light Touch Self Regulation'. It's all part of Camerons belief in the 'Big Society' and we can all take more responsibility for ourselves. But don't worry, it'll all end in tears when accident and incident rates rocket.
MrsBlue  
#20 Posted : 14 December 2011 15:51:46(UTC)
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I am astounded at the responses to the original post. Give the Government a chance to prove itself and then if it doesn't criticise it to hell and back. But in the mean time......... Give us all a break and keep your political views to yourself. Rich
NigelB  
#21 Posted : 14 December 2011 18:09:54(UTC)
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NigelB

Rich In 2009 David Cameron publicly stated that the health and safety culture was the cause of a lot of the 'anger and frustration' people feel about politics in the UK today. [No evidence] In August this year he publicly stated that health and safety was an underlying cause of the riots seen in London and other cities. [Again no evidence] At the Tory party conference he then went on to publicly state that the 'shadow of health and safety' was the main obstacle to his 'Big Society' plan. [Again no evidence] He made David Young his health and safety Champion. He had to resign shortly after publishing his review. In the meantime Employment Minister Chris Grayling admitted in July this year that the Government's health and safety programme is based mainly on misrepresentation and misinterpretation of press stories - mainly sourced from the Daily Mail et al. In the report Common Sense Common Safety from the ennobled David Young, all the stakeholders views were summarised and contained the following: 'There was an overriding opinion that the health and safety agenda had been hijacked by the tabloid press, whose reports often contributed to misinterpretation and misunderstandings by regularly exaggerating and ridiculing instances which in reality have little or nothing at all to do with health and safety.' Lord Young highlighted this and recommended precisely nothing to address it. The Leveson enquiry is revealing the rather dubious nature of the relations between the press and all political parties. The premise of the health and safety reviews and current programme is highly political, only considers business costs - and as such - is completely one sided. Cheers. Nigel
NEE' ONIONS MATE!  
#22 Posted : 15 December 2011 06:16:28(UTC)
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NEE' ONIONS MATE!

it doesn't sound promising like, but i keep thinking aboot the alternative. A compliant sterile society where everything is prescriptive and we aal end up like clones. We spend that much time creating paper to satisfy lawyers and law (what did the Bard say aboot Lawyers?) that the working man's safety doesn't get a look in anyway! So we're heading that way now. I want to take risk but I want to take responsibility for that risk, not try and blame someone else. An ethic a few others should be thinking aboot. If LY can start steering towards that, the man deserves credit.
BuzzLightyear  
#23 Posted : 15 December 2011 09:26:05(UTC)
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BuzzLightyear

Here is a link to the DWP website. http://www.dwp.gov.uk/policy/health-and-safety/ May be reading too much into this but when you land on the page - its nearly all 'Lord' Young and then followed by Prof Lofstedt as a bit of a footnote. Rich777, my original post did end with 'I despair', so I take full responsibility for encouraging impassioned pessimism. Even putting politics aside, if you were a school teacher, what grade would you have awarded Lord Young's report as far as quality of reports go? - in terms of research, bias and inconsistency? I think it would be generous to give it Young a D-! Hardly cause for cautious optimism; putting someone like that in charge or a review. While I do not agree with everything in the Lofstedt report, at least it appeared to be a professionally written document. I also think of putting Lord Young in charge of a H&S review was a case of putting a fox in charge of the chickens but that's my politics coming though!
MrsBlue  
#24 Posted : 15 December 2011 11:58:27(UTC)
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Buzzlightyear I probably agree with everything you say. My concern is that most if not all the responses were political with no constructive critiscism. What would the above posters come up with if they were the reviewer? I do note that nearly 100 industry areas, people, and the like were consulted so LY must have been alluding to what he was told - even if his report was slanted towards pre-conceived solutions i.e. and e.g. the claims industry and spiking their guns even though it's agreed that most of it is a perception and not reality. RIDDOR going from 3 to 7 days is on balance reasonably good seeing as the majority of over 3 days are considered minor injuries such as sprains and strains. Merry Christmas Rich
Ron Hunter  
#25 Posted : 15 December 2011 12:08:58(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

The very brief and pointed political replies here are probably down to the fact that LY Report and Government mismanagement issues have already been covered on this Forum in great detail.
walker  
#26 Posted : 15 December 2011 12:11:35(UTC)
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walker

Rich When LY report came out, IOSH replied with corrections. IIRC the corrections reply was actually longer than the report. He had "misunderstood" virtually everything that people he consulted told him.
Irwin43241  
#27 Posted : 15 December 2011 16:04:18(UTC)
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rich777 wrote:
I am astounded at the responses to the original post. Give the Government a chance to prove itself and then if it doesn't criticise it to hell and back. But in the mean time......... Give us all a break and keep your political views to yourself. Rich
We are all entitled to add our views on this forum. Some are not happy with the Government's approach to Health and Safety and in particular the PM who comes out with statements which border on the kind printed in the Daily Mail. I for one will not be giving anyone a break from my political views or otherwise. Sorry if this gives you cause for concern.
MB1  
#28 Posted : 15 December 2011 16:35:41(UTC)
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MB1

I'm not a call me Dave fan.... But IMHO I'd certainly enjoy hearing a certain Lord has finally retired!
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