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Zanshin67  
#1 Posted : 15 December 2011 09:36:54(UTC)
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Zanshin67

Hi all just a thought how does the CDMc normally ensure that applicable duty holders are aware of their duties under CDM is this normally explained by meetings? Letters to the client designers etc what is the preferred way many thanks
SHE-Andy  
#2 Posted : 15 December 2011 10:52:20(UTC)
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SHE-Andy

It depends on their knowledge of CDM, if they are experienced then a letter will suffice as it's not really anything new to them. If they're inexperienced then a meeting with a follow up letter would be wise to ensure they understand.
Ron Hunter  
#3 Posted : 15 December 2011 12:03:33(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

This can often be demonstrated by the terms of contract or letter of appointment as issued by the Commissioning Client. If that appointment document (whether for CDM-C, Designer or Contractor appointment) is sufficiently detailed (as it usually is by way of contract) there should be no need to indulge in further unnecessary letter sending?
bob youel  
#4 Posted : 16 December 2011 08:04:24(UTC)
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bob youel

In many cases this area is covered in the [very] small print in the T&C's / Pre Con phase plans between parties as I have found that many suppliers of services especially in lower cost works are not really interested in highlighting the issue with the client especially where its a 'Notifiable' but low cost/profit job I personally issue a specific and stand alone document [1 half page only] that deals with this point where the area is highlighted to the client who is required to sign that they have been notified of their duties and a copy is put into the site management file and the master doc is retained in the off site files [This can be done electronically as needed]. I also use this system for SWMP The biggest grumbles about my system to highlight client duties does not come from clients!
Ron Hunter  
#5 Posted : 16 December 2011 11:50:50(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I think this is one example of the unnecessary systems of bureacracy generated by the CDM Regs. Whilst some may construe this as "red tape" it is actually quite a neat trick on the part of the Regulator. The greater bulk of CDM responsibilities (prior to amalgamation of the Construction Health, Safety and Welfare Regs) rest with the Client, and there is of course a recognition that some Clients are very much 'inexpert' regarding construction issues. Why not then resolve this by placing a duty on every other duty holder to remind the Client of his responsibilities? What the Regulators seem to have discounted here is that this "inexpert Client" is no different from every other employer - he is required to have access to sufficient competent persons and health and safety assistance in accordance with Reg 7 of the Management Regs. That 'CDM' duty on other Project duty holders is therefore an unecessary duplication?
firesafety101  
#6 Posted : 16 December 2011 20:52:45(UTC)
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firesafety101

One of the first duties of the client is to check competence of all appointees.
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