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redken  
#1 Posted : 19 December 2011 19:05:42(UTC)
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redken

Will REACH give us safety data sheets that include a hazardous substance risk assessment? Will they do our COSHH assessment for us? "inclusion of exposure scenarios including any risk management measures required, in an Annex to the SDS. The information in the SDS should be consistent with the information in the chemical safety report (CSR) for that substance, or a mixture if a CSA for the mixture is available. • Inclusion of the relevant DNELs (see definitions) and PNECs (see definitions) for that substance in section 8. How and when should a SDS be provided? A SDS should be provided to the recipient free-of-charge" http://www.hse.gov.uk/reach/resources/reachsds.pdf
John J  
#2 Posted : 19 December 2011 19:32:25(UTC)
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John J

As a downstream user the manufacturer should be asking how you are using their product. The best way of providing this is via a coshh assessment. Exposure scenarios will be included in sds' but they will limited until the sief has agreed what goes in it. In the long run the data sheets should improve as there will be greater standardisation of data sheets from a wider knowledge base.
descarte8  
#3 Posted : 20 December 2011 10:33:20(UTC)
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descarte8

Not really, the only thing the exposure scenarios show is that the company knows how their material is being used, the user also then knows how the company intends its products to be used. The producer does have a responability to ensure that no one is using its products in a harmful way (exposure scenarios for known uses), and users have a reponsability to tell the manufacturer how they use their products. Even with these determined exposure levels associated with a product and task, you would have to do your own COSHH assessment to determine if exposures are going to be similar given the variability in control measures, ppe/rpe, environment, quantity or engineering controls etc. which could effect the exposure to the worker. My interpretation anyway, im certainly no REACH expert, though is anyone??? Des
John J  
#4 Posted : 20 December 2011 10:51:23(UTC)
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John J

On the plus side everybody will now have a full inventry of the chemicals they have in order to determine what SVHCs, bioaccumulators, endocrine disruptors etc they are using. Not a specific requirement but if you don't know what you have you don't know what you should be doing.
Ron Hunter  
#5 Posted : 20 December 2011 14:08:17(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

sounds pretty much along the lines of "instructions for safe use" - essentially a long-standing (but very often ignored) requirement of the HASAWA in UK ?
chris.packham  
#6 Posted : 20 December 2011 16:04:18(UTC)
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chris.packham

I would not claim to be a REACH expert, but my understanding of REACH is that it is concerned with single substances. Those placing these on the market have to produce a safety data sheet, attached to which will be exposure scenarios covering each use for which their substance has been registered. The downstream user, who could be a formulator, might take several substances and from these produce a mixture (note mixture not preparation!). He must produce a safety data sheet for his mixture, but need not produce exposure scenarios, merely take the relevant ones from each of the constituent suppliers and attach them to his safety data sheet. The end user will need to consult these (which hopefully will agree with each other!) and ensure that his use is covered by them. If not, then it will be illegal for him to use it for this use. Considering how few safety data sheets are actually correct, I do have my doubts about the quality of the (much more complicated) exposure scenarios we will be seeing! Some groups are looking at producing "generic exposure scenarios". A recent article in the Annals of Occupational Hygiene covered this and included an example of how such an exposure scenario might look. I had great difficulty understanding exactly how to interpret this, so what chance there is of a manager of, say, a small car body repair shop understanding it is open to some speculation. My personal approach is to ignore this paperchase and fall back, as I have done for years, on section 6-1 of the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 which requires the supplier to provide such information as to enable his product to be used safely for the purpose for which it has been supplied. Much simpler and more direct, as the end user requires this information from the supplier (e.g. formulator, distributor), ignoring the complex supply chain and the information that he may receive from the suppliers of the individual substances via the formulator. Chris
redken  
#7 Posted : 20 December 2011 16:20:32(UTC)
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redken

Chris.Packham wrote:
I would not claim to be a REACH expert, Some groups are looking at producing "generic exposure scenarios". A recent article in the Annals of Occupational Hygiene covered this and included an example of how such an exposure scenario might look. I had great difficulty understanding exactly how to interpret this, My personal approach is to ignore this paperchase and fall back, as I have done for years, on section 6-1 of the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 which requires the supplier to provide such information as to enable his product to be used safely for the purpose for which it has been supplied. Chris
Chris, a) have you seen a "REACH " SDS yet? b) How do suppliers under Section 6.1 provide this information. Regards Ken
chris.packham  
#8 Posted : 20 December 2011 16:31:47(UTC)
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chris.packham

Ken I wish I knew! When I go back on behalf of a client to their suppliers to request section 6-1 information this is usually countered by: "But we have let you have a safety data sheet". When I point out that this is not what the section requires, then there is frequently confusion. Many have never seen section 6-1. I doubt whether some have even seen a copy of the Act. Most do not have the knowledge to provide this information. Often, when the information does arrive, it is obvious that the person who had prepared it did not understand what was required of them or has simply got it wrong. The whole situation is, in my view, completely unsatisfactory and I do not think that REACH will benefit most end users, other than to add considerably to the content of their filing cabinets. Earlier this year I visited a company who had arranged for a large and well known health and safety consultancy to provide them (at not inconsiderable cost) with their risk assessments. When examined it turned out that they had sent their safety data sheets to the consultancy who had then issued risk assessments without any factory visit or other data. In other words, the 'risk assessments' were merely a regurgitation of the safety data sheets with a few extra bits of information added. With friends like these . . . Chris
jay  
#9 Posted : 20 December 2011 16:59:41(UTC)
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jay

Although the general duties under Section 6.1 of HASAWA cover all manner of chemical supplier duties amongst others, it is CHIP 4/CLP/REACH that deals with MSDS's in context of classification, labelling and risk management As HASAWA was enacted prior to CHIP/CLP/REACH, it does not and was never meant to deal with the level of detail required to classify chemicals. Many of us are aware of the limitations of information in MSDS's, but it is unlikely to be practicable to use occupational hygienists and other experts for routine COSHH assessments. I am not aware of any system in the world that depends upon general duities similar to HASAWA Section 6.1 for communicating health and safety information on chemicals and so far, the format of the MSDS appears to be the best means of communicating this information. SDSs for substances or mixtures containing substances that have been fully registered under REACH will require inclusion of : +the identified use(s) and uses advised against in section 1. +exposure scenarios including any risk management measures required, in an Annex to the SDS. The information in the SDS should be consistent with the information in the chemical safety report (CSR) for that substance, or a mixture if a CSA for the mixture is available. This is not a COSHH assessment as you still have to do that yourself, but the exposure scenarios are more specific. For example a Shell product MSDS with exposure scenarios is at:- http://www.epc.shell.com...s/GSAP_msds_00320135.PDF +the relevant derived no effect level (DNELs)and predicted no effect concentration (PNECs) for that substance in section 8. The DNEL represents a level of exposure above which humans should not be exposed. The PNEC represents the concentration of a chemical in any environmental compartment below which unacceptable effects will most likely not occur.
John J  
#10 Posted : 20 December 2011 18:12:44(UTC)
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John J

Manufacturers do not necessarily have to supply a sds. They can comply by providing information to enable the end user to use it safely. So the link to the HASAWA is still there. Manufacturers don't just register single chemicals they must consider articles and risks associated with them in use or disposal. COSHH still plays an important part in the control of chemicals and end users should be checking that the use of their chemical is registered with the manufacturer or SIEF. That is unless it's commercially sensitive in which case you can register the use yourself but must provide all the info to ECHA yourself. A very very expensive process.
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