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Hi
Assuming we record minor accidents, do people here use the same approach as they would to a reportable one?
For example, an accident to an employed subcontractor at our Quarry is clearly our reporting responsibility under the regs, but not if it happened elsewhere in our organisation. However, for accidents elsewhere I'll include them in our stats if it was the kind of accident which could just as easily happen to one of our employees (eg a temp catering assistant filling in for one of ours absent, or a visiting gas engineer slipping on our wet floor) but not if it was, for example, the gas engineer above injuring himself with one of his tools.
I'd be interested in other people's approach. I'm also interested in whether people record minor slips, trips, etc that are not "arising out of or in connection with work". I know it's sometimes difficult to tell from accident forms, but if you discover, say, that someone "just tripped over her feet" (no defect in flooring, not carrying / moving anything, plenty of space around her, etc) would you record that?
The key thing I'm interested in is recording, not reporting.
Thanks for any opinions.
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Record everything is my advice, and then use the information how you see fit. If the admin girl hurts her back picking up her pen off the floor, it doesnt mean you have a bad safety culture or accident record. If however, when you come to do your end of year stats you notice twenty or thirty minor mishaps of a similar nature it may be that the staff are complacent or that there is a general poor housekeeping culture etc.
A few years ago working for a construction company we noticed that nobody recorded minor cuts. When we took a broad look and spoke to the lads it transpired that we were having cuts to hands on a daily basis, but the macho image prevented accurate recording. Guess what, a joiner lost two fingers months later and it was all so preventable.
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our approach to what to record is to consider what you are going to do with the information. If you have a searchable database* as your record then as much as you can including near misses as well as "the tripped over own feet" incident. A bunch of tripped-over-own-feet incidents could be telling you something. Even just a count up at the end of each quarter might give some indicator of improvement, or otherwise, and where efforts to improve safety are needed. Fancier figures reported to management can show how well you are doing, Health and Safety wise.
* I suppose a "searchable database" could include flicking through the exercise book with the very brief descriptions of incidents, if that's all the business type needs. probably not the quarry, though.
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Hi,
if you PM me I can email a PDF copy of our Dashboard.
We include Contractors and Agency workers in our stats.
Determination of whether we record it in the metrics is based on the control we have over the accident and whether it falls under OSHA or Riddor.
For minors/first aid we would determine work relatedness in relation to the metrics and this would be determined through the accident investigation.
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Thanks very much for the responses yesterday, and for the file and info you sent over, John.
Have a great holiday, everyone.
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