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Zyggy  
#1 Posted : 05 January 2012 08:23:32(UTC)
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Zyggy

After nearly 30 years of being employed by somebody else in the H&S field I am about to dip my toes into the world of consultancy.

As always, I want to make sure that I have covered all the angles & will obviously be getting Professional Indemnity Insurance.

However, I am getting conflicting advice about whether I will need EL & PL cover as well - I will be a sole trader, i.e. just me!

I would also be grateful if you could also advise me as to what levels of cover I will need as this obviously has a bearing on the premiums!

Your informed views would be most appreciated.

Thank you,

Zyggy
Lucy D  
#2 Posted : 05 January 2012 08:54:30(UTC)
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Lucy D

Zyggy
You are right to highlight the Professional Indemnity Insurance as a must have - just be careful when you start looking at these, the terms and conditions vary immensely between providers, alongwith the prices. You need to be very clear the type of work you will be doing and the type of organizations you will be working for. This will also guide you on the level of cover you need - if you are working in high risk industries a minimum of £1million is common.
Being self-employed, the other two types of insurance are not mandatory but you may find that your clients insist on them. The following exemption for Employer's Liability Insurance would seem to apply to your business
- companies employing only their owner where that employee also owns 50% or more of the issued share capital in the company
The leaflet HSE40 summarises this.

Good luck!
Lucy
Heather Collins  
#3 Posted : 05 January 2012 09:37:49(UTC)
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Heather Collins

Try the IOSH consultancy guide for some useful advice http://www.iosh.co.uk/in...4b502fe05&version=-1

The exemption Lucy quotes applies to companies not sole traders, but you don't need EL insurance as a sole trader if you are not employing anyone else.

I find many clients quote 5 million as the required cover for PL these days.
Phil Grace  
#4 Posted : 05 January 2012 11:25:35(UTC)
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Phil Grace

Zyggy,
To confirm
Employers' Liability: No needed since no employees

Prof Indemnity: This protects aginst eventualtiy that you give bad/poor advice that leads to some loss, injury or damager. Essential for a consulting professional.

Public Liability: This covers you against possibility that you do something that causes an injury/loss to third party, for example you put your briefcase down and client's MD trips over it!. Not a legal requirement but pretty important. As already stated you may be driven by customer's demands although starting levels of cover (Indemnity) are £1m or £2m.

Household: Check arrangements in respect of running business from home. You will need to notify insurer and extend your existing household cover OR may have to take out tailored "business from home" policy. This will extend cover to things like loss of equipment such as computers. Remember that if there was break-in/theft or flood then your income might be affected if your buisness PC was stolen/damaged.

And: I'm not a financial adviser but you might need to think about income if you were to fall ill - Income Protection Cover. And Personal Accident could assist if you had a sporting injury, slipped on ice or fell from ladder whilst decorating (Joke!) and were unable to work.

Hope this helps.
Phil
stevie40  
#5 Posted : 05 January 2012 12:42:35(UTC)
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stevie40

Good advice from Phil there.
Also let your motor insurers know that you will be using the car for business purposes. Catches some folks out if they've previously had a company car or just had Social / Domestic / Pleasure / Commuting cover before.

Alex Whittle  
#6 Posted : 05 January 2012 12:44:28(UTC)
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Alex Whittle

Just for information, I have recently taken up employment as a contractor to a large ship build & ship repair facility. For this type of industry, high risk and hazardous I was advised that 5M was a standard requirement with a premium of £82 p/m. Bear in mind that the type of consultancy you offer, will determine the level of cover that you require.
Without stating the obvious, ensure that all of your cards are placed on the table when dealing with your chosen insurer and gain this in writing to avoid 'null & void'.
I hope this is of help & all the best with your new venture.
SallyOD  
#7 Posted : 05 January 2012 13:22:24(UTC)
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SallyOD

Hi Zyggy, i suggest you contact a financial adviser or insurance broker to ensure that verything meets your individual needs. I went with Hiscox 6 years ago and got a great deal on PI (>£5million), PL EL and Office Equipment insurance etc., and to date they have not been beaten for service or renewal quotes.
As primarily training and auditing, i found some insurance companies would not insure me as i would be going into high risk industries, ie chemical, and construction. This included my own bank!
As Phil states above you shouldnt need EL, but as Lucy said, some of our larger blue chip Clients still required me to have it and in the past i had PQQs returned as it was not included. Now there are three of us we have it anyway!
Good advice about checking car insurance too.
Good Luck!
bob youel  
#8 Posted : 05 January 2012 14:04:12(UTC)
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bob youel

If U intend working at home in your study U will also need to contact your local rates people as that part of your home may incur an increase in rateable tax
bob youel  
#9 Posted : 05 January 2012 14:08:31(UTC)
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bob youel

Should U require a driver to ferry U from one high paying contract to another high paying contract my hire-out rates are good
stevie40  
#10 Posted : 05 January 2012 14:20:57(UTC)
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stevie40

bob youel wrote:
If U intend working at home in your study U will also need to contact your local rates people as that part of your home may incur an increase in rateable tax


Do you have any links to confirm that Bob?
Surely work of a clerical nature would not attract a tax increase. If it does, I owe about 14 years - ouch.
I could understand it if you were buying and selling cars or running a workshop.
Graham Bullough  
#11 Posted : 05 January 2012 14:56:36(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

If Bob Youel is offering his services as a hire driver, one hopes that his vehicle insurance policy includes business driving - after all, this topic is about having appropriate insurance cover.

Also if zyggy is thinking of working at home it would be advisable for him to check if there are any legal covenants which forbid him and his neighbours from using their residences for work purposes. My house and various others nearby are subject to a common covenant established when our neighbourhood was built which forbids us from using our houses and gardens for various occupations including "noxious trades". However, use as medical or dental surgeries is permitted, even though nowadays this wouldn't be welcome in view of the extra vehicles which such uses would inevitably attract to the neighbourhood.

p.s. zyggy - The listings beneath our names to the left show us as both being in the same IOSH branch. I sometimes wonder out of curiosity who you really are, and also how you chose your pseudonym. The same goes for other pseudonymous forum users listed as being in our branch!!! :-)
Heather Collins  
#12 Posted : 05 January 2012 15:04:44(UTC)
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Heather Collins

bob youel wrote:
If U intend working at home in your study U will also need to contact your local rates people as that part of your home may incur an increase in rateable tax


Maybe for a business which is a limited company Bob but HMRC has this to say about a sole trader using a home office.

"In the main, the person who is carrying on a trade, profession or vocation will pay non-domestic or business rates. The existing instructions at BIM46835 apply. There will however be exceptions. For example, bed and breakfast establishments with fewer than six tenants do not pay the business rate. And a home in which a trader sets aside a room as an office is likely to attract only a council tax charge. "

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/m...s/bimmanual/BIM46840.htm
RobA  
#13 Posted : 05 January 2012 16:36:52(UTC)
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RobA

Graham Bullough wrote:


p.s. zyggy - The listings beneath our names to the left show us as both being in the same IOSH branch. I sometimes wonder out of curiosity who you really are, and also how you chose your pseudonym. The same goes for other pseudonymous forum users listed as being in our branch!!! :-)


If this is the Zyggy I think it is Zyggy is his real name :-)
Zyggy  
#14 Posted : 09 January 2012 08:19:11(UTC)
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Zyggy

Can I just say a big thanks to everybody who took the time & trouble to respond; your advice was extremely useful & your best wishes very welcome!

Some of you also took additional time to send me PM's, & again, many thanks, & I intend to pursue the contacts I have now made - invaluable advice from those already in the consultancy world!

PS. Just to dispel any doubt about hiding behind a pseudonym, everybody knows me as "Zyggy", a variation of my real name bestowed to me by my manager >30 years ago!

Zyggy.
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