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confined  
#1 Posted : 16 January 2012 19:10:28(UTC)
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confined

Hi, I have a friend who owns a food premises. He employs some saturday staff, one of which has refused to complete his food hygiene course on line , because he thinks its a waste of time which incidently the employer is paying for. I know we talk about employees must co-operate with the employer in the H&S world and be be taken to task on it if they do not. Can the same line be taken within the food industry? Welcome your thoughts, thanks in advance
m  
#2 Posted : 16 January 2012 19:22:31(UTC)
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m

Is it a condition of his employment; that would make life easier.
Ciaran Delaney  
#3 Posted : 16 January 2012 20:17:49(UTC)
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Ciaran Delaney

Extremely simple remedy. Is it a requirement of the local council that all staff who work in food premises must have this training completed to comply with regulation? If so, inform the individual that he is required to complete said training and if he refuses, sack him.
Thompson26125  
#4 Posted : 16 January 2012 20:20:00(UTC)
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Thompson26125

Food law does not require everyone to be trained via an official course such as the CIEH NVQ level 2 or equialent online training which is recommended for caterers. Training should be appropriate to the activity and level of supervision. If there is someone trained in the premise and able to supervise them then that would be adequate if they were not carrying out any high risk activity. Hygiene awareness would be the minimum required which your friend could carry out (and record what has been done) assuming she has at least NVQ Level 2 and preferably Level 3 (if they are supervising their staff). Personally if I was your friend I would not keep employing someone who refused to do any training. How do they know that they are bothering to obey basic hygiene rules. As an ex inspector I would have served a formal letter requiring training or a hygiene improvement notice if the employee had any supervisory duties or was carrying out any high risk activities. It is the food business operator who has responsibility to ensure their staff are adequately trained.
Ron Hunter  
#5 Posted : 16 January 2012 22:29:57(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Perhaps an initial sympathetic enquiry of the individual to ensure there are no underlying reading or other learning difficulties?
bob youel  
#6 Posted : 17 January 2012 08:45:07(UTC)
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bob youel

Listen to Ron as there may be an underline personal problem Additionally you do not get adequate feed back in my view from on line courses as usually its a cheap tick box exercise
Jim Tassell  
#7 Posted : 17 January 2012 12:56:00(UTC)
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Jim Tassell

It sounds like a proper manufacturing site, so your friend will have been through the HACCP hoops. It's food safety legislation, not H&S but a similar approach is valid. Your friend doesn't require it because it's nice, he requires it because it's necessary. I'm with the others above, find the root of the problem before resorting to discipline etc. Beyond that, punt this over to an HR site!
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