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Hi All,
I am considering making a recommendation to use fire stopping pillows in a property where there are large gaps around services which breach fire rated compartments.
I wondered whether anyone has had much experinces with these and whether they proved to be effective/appropriate.
Would also be interested to hear what Fire Officers views on their use may be (I am considering pillows tested to BS 476 part 20).
Thanks in advance.
James
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James
My own view is they are excellent in an environment where it is likely that additional services will be run through the compartment on a regular bases. Eg, large offices with IT cabling constantly being replaced or repaired. Pop out the bag, run the cables and pop the bag back in. Better that sealing the gap umpteen times a year, or constantly chasing around filling these gaps.
Where regular breaches of the compartment are not so likely (a small office or shop, with a light IT requirement), then 'proper' sealing up is much more efficient at stopping fire spread and offers a high degree of stopping smoke spread - something the pillows cannot do (and don't claim to do).
Lastly, I would never contemplate using pillows where there's sleeping risk (due to the uncontrolled smoke spreading issue)
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Hi Thank you for your response.
I am considering the use of fire stopping pillows (perhaps in conjunction with rockwool) to fire stop around cable trays and penetrations between compartments above false ceilings in a Sheltered Accommodation property.
As the ceiling tiles will be replaced following the installation it is highly unlikely that the materials would be disturbed following installation. The property is also equipped with an L1 detection and warning linked to a remote monitoring centre.
The alternative is to carry out highly intrusive, costly and time consuming works to use rigid structures and intumescent putty for the fire separation. Would the initial approach suggested seem logical in this instance?
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James.
My view is unchanged in that fire compartments need to consider smoke travel where that compartment is required for life safety (rather than building protection) reasons. From what I am imagining, your proposal does not replace the same level of fire stopping that was there originally
As for L1 AFD, it's not unusual to have L1 coverage in residential homes (albeit this one is sheltered accommodation), so unless you are saying it's going to be upgraded to L1 (from L2 or 3) as a mitigating measure re the less efficient fire stopping, then I can't see it being much value.
It's always so difficult to take a proper view a 'blind' basis, but I would take great care if reducing the quality of fire compartmentation (compared with what was there) in such a high risk, without offering anything extra to mitigate that additional risk (does that make sense??!)
I would also be interested in what others here think.
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Hi,
It is my view that the proposed measures would improve upon what has been in place previously, as it appears that no fire stopping around cable trays etc has ever been in place between compartments.
Would appreciate any extra views on this though.
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Hi James
messyshaw is right with respect to the smoke spread, the pillows are not effective for this. The other issue to consider is that overtime the pillows 'settle' so do not fill so much of the hole as when they are first inserted. I have known pillows in vertical risers to fall out after a period of time.
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