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chas  
#1 Posted : 31 January 2012 08:57:48(UTC)
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chas

Does any one have any constructive advice that can be given to a DSE user who has had operations to both wrists to sort out carpal tunnel problems. The user also suffers from upper arm pains and is being provided with an ergonomic keyboard, at their request. Our Occupational Health Advisors are involved however any other guidance that assists in helping this individual would be appreciated. Thanks.
safetyamateur  
#2 Posted : 31 January 2012 09:31:58(UTC)
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safetyamateur

A big one for me is to get rid of those damnable wristrests. Movements should be freeflowing and not concentrated at the point where hands meet surfaces. Surprisingly, a lot of Occ Health people don't subscribe to this and hand those things out like sweets.
KieranD  
#3 Posted : 31 January 2012 09:48:13(UTC)
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KieranD

Chas You and your OH Adviser would do well to carefully assess the employee's vulnerability to further musculoskeletal disorder. Your options include 1. monthly monitoring, keeping a copy of the employee's replies to an A4 questionnaire on the symptoms of the previous month 2. ensure what you call 'an ergonomic keyboard' (an expression that now has a numerous meanings, several of time misleading or false) permits comfortable lateral flexion of the wrists and at the same time an adaptive wrist and forearm posture 3. provide him/her with written instructions on how to do appropriate gentle exercises during regular rests ('pause gymnastik' in orthopaedic ergonomic jargon) 4. if severe pain symptoms recur, consider the possibility that the vulnerability is so hazardous that no amount of adjustment to the equipment, task-breaks or exercises can be made to safeguard her from further severe injury: in this case, the options to consider include negotiated transfer to another role or voidance of contract. From my experience as an expert witness in a claim where the employer (who employed a full-time medical doctor and 2 OH nurses) failed to control the WRULDS appropriately, you could end up paying many ££; £100K in this particular case (settled before a court hearing, after the employer chose not to challenge liability attributed to them in the ergonomic assessment).
A Kurdziel  
#4 Posted : 31 January 2012 10:02:07(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

We have supplied people in this sort of situation with voice activated software. The stuff is getting quite good but it takes time to “train” the system to recognise the user's voice and of course you need relatively quiet office to work in. It also quite expensive but we have gotten money in via ‘Access to Work’ to help out with the costs.
denH  
#5 Posted : 31 January 2012 10:33:38(UTC)
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denH

Hi, We've also supplied DSE Users with voice recognition software which has been useful. in other instances, we've also tried a tablet computer which has allowed them to write, rather than type. This has been found useful in some cases but it may not be suitable for all.
Bye33332  
#6 Posted : 31 January 2012 10:47:32(UTC)
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Bye33332

Can I just add that her own personal lifestyle needs to be looked at? I have a lady with 'WRULD' which turned out to be nothing to do with her workstation, and everything to do with the fact that she regularly spent about 5 hours a night playing bingo on her laptop!! I'm sure you've covered all that already, but it was just a thought....
Bob Howden  
#7 Posted : 01 February 2012 10:55:37(UTC)
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Bob Howden

Bye33332 wrote:
Can I just add that her own personal lifestyle needs to be looked at? I have a lady with 'WRULD' which turned out to be nothing to do with her workstation, and everything to do with the fact that she regularly spent about 5 hours a night playing bingo on her laptop!! I'm sure you've covered all that already, but it was just a thought....
Very true, but an area where you may need to tread warily. As an off the wall observation it seems odd to me than many people can spend hours on computers at home but it's always the one at work that seems to be the root of any issues.
boblewis  
#8 Posted : 01 February 2012 11:13:19(UTC)
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boblewis

For me personally getting rid of the mouse was a must and I think many sufferers will agree. Use a track ball or any other system but the gripping of the mouse is for me a killer move. Bob
safetyamateur  
#9 Posted : 01 February 2012 12:58:54(UTC)
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safetyamateur

boblewis wrote:
For me personally getting rid of the mouse was a must and I think many sufferers will agree. Use a track ball or any other system but the gripping of the mouse is for me a killer move. Bob
Someone once said " a repetitive movement is a repetitive movement by any other name".
DaveDaniel  
#10 Posted : 01 February 2012 17:19:41(UTC)
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DaveDaniel

Boblewis: I started to suffer RSI (arthritic shoulder according to my physio wife) from using a mouse 15 years ago. as a H&S consultant I needed to type reports and I was worried I might not be able to work. I tried voice recognition software to no avail. The sales motto "you talk, it types" was very accurate but unfortunately what it typed was not what I'd said! Perhaps things have improved.... I did however invest in a graphics tablet instead of a mouse and have used one successfully ever since. my current Wacom tablet's outlived x2 PC's and still works fine, unlike most mice that fall apart after a year or so.... Dave Daniel
boblewis  
#11 Posted : 01 February 2012 22:26:51(UTC)
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boblewis

Safetyamateur Its the problem of a half closed hand when gripping. A trackball or mousepad uses a flat hand and finegr movement - these do not cause restriction in the carpal tunnel area Bob
safetyamateur  
#12 Posted : 02 February 2012 09:00:22(UTC)
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safetyamateur

boblewis wrote:
Safetyamateur Its the problem of a half closed hand when gripping. A trackball or mousepad uses a flat hand and finegr movement - these do not cause restriction in the carpal tunnel area Bob
Didn't know that, Bob, and appreciate the info but I was making the point that repetitive movements are one of the things we need to be mindful of; whether the effect is in the carpel tunnel area or not. I've come across a lot of 'swap this problem for another' in my time.
KieranD  
#13 Posted : 02 February 2012 09:04:14(UTC)
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KieranD

As the world's leading orthopaedic researchers, e.g. Don Chaffin, still indicate there remain many unresolved problems about prescribing equipment that guarantee control of risks of musculoskeletal injuries, their research guides court decisions as well as practitioners who respect relevant research. One of the options for reducing risks of MSDs including carpal tunnel syndrome is the 'Ortho Wrist' mouse designed by an orthopaedic surgeon and a bio-medical engineer after about a decade's research. It has the advantage of enabling users to assemble it to suit any quirks of their own individual hand size, and a combination of controls that balance the biomechanical demands on the user's fingers, wrist and arm and shoulder. A review should be still available at www.ergoweb.com.
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