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Lojikglos  
#1 Posted : 06 February 2012 08:39:32(UTC)
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Lojikglos

Guys As part of lifes rich tapestry as a health and Safety co ordinator i am coming across more and more issues that Im not sure are exactly directly related to health and safety. Initially I requested some information regarding epilepsy in the workplace and how as an employer we could make reasonable adjustments. I had a very good response form a forum user (apologies but his name has slipped my memory) and adopted a car plan idea. I am still awaiting definitive written information confirming whether the type of epilepsy is photosensitive or not. If it is I have informed the powers that be that this is , with the best will in the world beyond my remit and would need to get in an occupational health specialist to provide further advice and should needs be produce specific risk assessment. Since this I have now discoverd that we have a person returning to work who has just had a triple heart by-pass and I am unsure about another person who has another known condition "OCD". tHE PERSON With "OCD" has recently just returned to work on a part time basis afetr a period of sick abscence. Realistically I am thinking that the suggested increase of days from three days a week to five days a week over three weeks is in part ok but I am not convinced that a specific risk assesment for this person is or would be suitable and sufficient.. Similarly as a duty to the employee I am not convinced that similar control measures are adequate for the person with ocd. I appreciate this is a bit of a long winded way of asking a simple question but what are forim members experience if any of dealing with similar. Are these medical conditions more of an HR issue or more to do with Occupational health? As with all posts thanks in advance to any who reply L
Lawlee45239  
#2 Posted : 06 February 2012 10:04:37(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

As H&S we have a very broad spectrum to cover. It affects every department in the business, but as H&S you must ensure the safety of all persons with the org, therefore if it is known that there is an illness then it needs to be addressed either by yourself or jointly with the other departments. Previously, when I was on a construction site, I had an operative come and tell me his mate was taking a lot of tablets, so we had to get his mate in to find out what was going on (drugs etc), but it turned out he had epilepsy, and we had to request him to get a fit note from his GP to confirm he could work on a construction site, which he could not obtain so we had to terminate his employment. It all boils down to the fact if there is an accident, either to your employee or to another as a result of his condition. Are there a number of persons working with the org that have conditions/ illnesses??
KieranD  
#3 Posted : 06 February 2012 10:05:27(UTC)
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KieranD

Lojikglos Your question 'Are these medical conditions more of an HR issue or more to do with Occupational health?' is complex; but is it really the most appropriate question to ask? For several reasons a. it is 'the employer' who has statutory responsibility for the employees to whom you refer and any division of responsbility is not one that concerns a court (it's not unusual for HR Managers to find themselves at a loss if cross-examined in court and realising that neither their training nor policies equip them for sometimes elementary questioning about H & S laws and regs) b. any boundary between 'HR' and 'Occupational health' is a matter of governance and exericse of power and authority within a company c. the traditions of education and training of 'HR' and 'Occupational health' in the British Isles differ greatly, especially in relation to two aspects of your question: understanding of The Equality Act 2010 (in relation to the personal characteristic of disability) and scientific knowhow necessary to evaluate risks of physical and psychological illness. d. organisations differ greatly in terms of their capability to manage risks arising from the conditions of epilepsy, obsessive-compulsive disorder and post-surgery recuperation. In addition to measures to 'control' the risk areas you've outlined, your employer has a statutory responsibility to carry out feasible and reasonable adjustments in respect of the disabilities. The challenges can be tricky because while safety/health take legal precedence, penalities for breaching The Equality Act may well be much higher. So, the critical question you need to address may be stated as: how to enable managers to fulfil their statutory responsibilities under health safety and equality laws?
Bob Shillabeer  
#4 Posted : 06 February 2012 11:35:58(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

BNe very careful with this one. There is some elements of each case that could involve H&S but dont go off and try to deal with them on your own. Get HR involved and work with them to manage each case by contributing to the solution not trying to deal with it in isolation. Occ Health people may well be needed to assess the effect of thier condition on thier ability to do the work so it is vital that thier views are considered and the best way to do this is to share the task of manageing the problem. Contribute not dictate is the solution.
bilbo  
#5 Posted : 06 February 2012 11:50:22(UTC)
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bilbo

I am with Bob on this - you will need to invovle others in how the "cases" are managed. Taking the OCD as an example, how OCD is being expressed in the individual is important - in fact it is probably true to say that the majority of us display some OCD characteristics most of the time without any adjustment required to our work. Definately get HR and Occ Health involved.
Ron Hunter  
#6 Posted : 06 February 2012 13:05:16(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

You ask: "occupational health or health and safety?" I suggest the correct answer is neither! Occ Health, H&S or HR - we're all of us only guessing without definitive information from the GP and there has to be an onus there to provide decent information on the "fit note" via a return to work interview? Your mention of OCD gives me pause for thought on the whole "reasonable adjustments" issue, and I wonder if perhaps the scales sometimes tip too far in the wrong direction. Sometimes there's just not much the employer can do and I do find myself thinking back only a few decades, when such issues would have been viewed slightly differently!
KieranD  
#7 Posted : 06 February 2012 13:15:01(UTC)
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KieranD

Ron's observation 'Your mention of OCD gives me pause for thought on the whole "reasonable adjustments" issue, and I wonder if perhaps the scales sometimes tip too far in the wrong direction. Sometimes there's just not much the employer can do and I do find myself thinking back only a few decades, when such issues would have been viewed slightly differently! illustrates precisely how times have changed A 'reasonable adjustment' includes psychological assessment of the extent to which the condition poses hazards to others as well as the individual. Well-validated instruments such as the Hogan Development Survey are available for this purpose; qualified users can be found through the Psychological Testing Centre of the British Psychological Society. Not to make use of them is a simple way of remaining 'back only a few decades', long before disability discrimination became part of an employer's statutory responsibility.
Ron Hunter  
#8 Posted : 06 February 2012 13:42:34(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I respect your view and understand what you're saying Keiran, but I suspect the reality for the OCD employee of a SME in this sort of situation will be starkly different.
KieranD  
#9 Posted : 06 February 2012 15:32:53(UTC)
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KieranD

Ron Ron Legally and otherwise, suspicions about people with psychiatric difficulties are at best dangerous. Unless you have reliable information about the individual concerned, you actually have nothing other than fantasy on which to base your assertions about 'the reality for the OCD employee (as you choose to label him or her) of a SME in this sort of situation will be starkly different'. Especially if the employee labelled with 'OCD' is responsible for behaviour and safety of others, a valid professional assessment of his condition is in the interest of employer and employee and not a matter for suspicion. Whatever the individual's status, competent and appropriate psychological assessment, with relevant coaching and/of counselling, is not only far more appropriate and cost-effective than suspicion but legally compliant.
Corfield35303  
#10 Posted : 06 February 2012 15:58:36(UTC)
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Corfield35303

Always involve other people, I always view the solutions as being a partnership between HR, H&S (often the gateway to decent occ health advice), the manager and the individual. My observations are that H&S people often bring that systematic, common sense approach by translating complex medical advice and its subsequent occ health advice (which is often still quite complex) into real world advice that managers and individuals can understand and actually work to. If left to HR there is the danger that they approach it from one very particular angle, although there are some fantastic HR people out there, its important for us to be able to justify the 'health' in H&S to be able to get involved to some degree. Its also a very rewarding part of H&S when we help someone back to work, or keep tham at work.
CDB193  
#11 Posted : 06 February 2012 16:10:30(UTC)
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CDB193

Logikglos Would agree with the advice to handle this by partnering with HR and OH Strategy would then be very dependent on the way the OCD presents - you could also check info from http://www.ocduk.org/
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