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Psycho  
#1 Posted : 10 February 2012 14:37:25(UTC)
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Psycho

An interesting president case has just been heard a massive fine dished out for the diresctor and the first RRO case to feature a jury as follows:- A London hotel has had to pay more than £260,000 in fines and costs in what is believed to be the first jury trial of a case under the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005. The Chumleigh Lodge Hotel Limited and its sole director, Michael Wilson, had pleaded not guilty to a total of 12 offences under the Fire Safety Order. The trial took place at Blackfriars Crown Court between 28 November and 6 December 2011 and sentencing was on Monday 6 February. The offences date back to 18 May 2008 when London Fire Brigade was called to a fire at the hotel on Nether Street in Finchley, north London. The blaze had spread quickly from a first floor guest bedroom, up a staircase to the floor above and along a corridor. Three people escaped from the fire, two by using the stairs and a third by climbing out of a second floor window. Following the blaze, fire safety inspectors visited the hotel and raised a number of concerns. These included defective fire doors, blocked escape routes and no smoke alarms in some of the hotel’s bedrooms. Mr Wilson was also unable to produce a suitable and sufficient fire risk assessment and was found not to have provided staff with adequate fire safety training. The fine was divided between the individual defendant, Michael Wilson (£180,000) and the corporate defendant, Chumleigh Lodge Hotel Limited (£30,000). The defendants were further ordered to pay prosecution costs of £50,000, and compensation of £2,000 to the guest who escaped through a second floor window. The company was found guilty of six offences, while Mr Wilson was found guilty of ‘consent or connivance in the commission’ of those same offences: · Failure to make a suitable and sufficient assessment of risk (article 9) · Failure to provide staff with adequate safety training (article 21) · Failure to ensure emergency routes from the premises are kept clear (article 14) · Failure to adequately equip premises with fire detectors (article 13) · Two counts of failure to ensure premises, facilities, equipment or devices are maintained in an efficient state, in working order and in good repair (article 17) “Business owners have a clear responsibility under fire safety law to ensure that both the public and their employees are as safe as possible from the risk of fire,” said Brian Coleman, chairman of London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority. “This verdict sends out a clear message that if these responsibilities are ignored we will not hesitate in prosecuting and people will face serious penalties.”
messyshaw  
#2 Posted : 10 February 2012 17:40:50(UTC)
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messyshaw

It's a good result and sends a clear message out to directors and indeed, all responsible persons. However, due to endless cuts, there is an increasing reluctance for fire services to prosecute. If the fire service 'win', then there is an opportunity for damages - but if they lose, it can cost them a fortune. As a result, there has to be a huge public interest for them to proceed, as in this one which is after a fire with rescues. I wonder if it would have gone to Court if the defects had been found during an audit? Probably not Look at this prosecution, almost 4 years from incident to court. There really does need to be a review of the legal process as it cannot be right for such a case to take so long.
firesafety101  
#3 Posted : 10 February 2012 21:39:11(UTC)
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firesafety101

Yes it does send out a clear message but who is actually receiving that message, and then who is taking notice. Interesting to see only three contributers to this post, and all three of us have an interest in fire risk assessment?
Ron Hunter  
#4 Posted : 10 February 2012 23:31:38(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

What's a "president case"?
chris42  
#5 Posted : 11 February 2012 10:20:06(UTC)
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chris42

The message it sends is only any good if Directors get to see it. Yes H&S professionals can use this to help any argument when looking to make changes or justify ones they have made, but this was not exactly headline news. A Clear message, but a bit like the tree that falls in the forest – does it make a noise if no one is there to hear it? I agree if this had been found on an audit would there have been a prosecution, I suspect not. (IMHO) don’t think the lack of responders to this thread is anything to do with the topic, I think a lot of the names you used to frequently see joining in, don’t seem to bother as much anymore, myself included.
RayRapp  
#6 Posted : 11 February 2012 10:23:20(UTC)
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RayRapp

What's a "president case"?' The one Obama carries with him when going on holiday. Seriously, I doubt many directors will take note of this case. It has not been widely reported outside esoteric circles and I suspect only those in the hotel industry will sit up and take notice. Messy has also made a good point about whether the case would have been prosecuted had it not been as a result of a serious incident - I suspect not. The reality is that far to few prosecutions for health, safety and fire offences take place without a serious incident. The level of non-compliance is quite staggering. Some regulations are more problematic than others - for instance, DSE, CDM, Noise/ Vibration and so on, lip service is paid by many companies. Now, if we saw more prosecutions for non-compliance rather than following a serious incident we might just see duty holders sit up and take notice.
Ron Hunter  
#7 Posted : 13 February 2012 13:03:10(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I've been in many Hotels with defective fire doors, and others where fire doors are routinely wedged open. We can all play a part by reporting these matters to local managment and the authorities. I can't help but think that there is insufficient regulatory inspection of the hotel industry? The correct word was of course "precedent".
redken  
#8 Posted : 13 February 2012 15:32:24(UTC)
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redken

RayRapp case would have been prosecuted had it not been as a result of a serious incident - I suspect not. The reality is that far to few prosecutions for health, safety and fire offences take place without a serious incident. . [/quote wrote:
Ray, do you know of any prosecutions without the serious incident?. The HSE as I see it are very poor at getting insight into bad/criminal practices before an incident. Perhaps they do and we just do not get to hear about it.
RayRapp  
#9 Posted : 13 February 2012 18:27:38(UTC)
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RayRapp

Ken There are the odd exceptions where the HSE prosecute without an actual accident or serious incident as s3 HSWA allow for purely creating a risk, but they are few and far between. The leading case is R v Trustees of the Science Museum [1994], who were prosecuted for exposing members of the public to a 'risk' of legionella bacteria from poorly maintained air conditioning pursuant to s3(1). To be fair to the HSE, the courts are very poor at recognising a risk without an actual adverse event. As in the aforementioned case, the fine was a paltry £500 plus costs of £2,500 if my memory serves me correct. Compare that with the Barrow-in-Furness legionella case where there was an outbreak of legionella and people died. The fine was quite substantial even though it was a public body who are treated more leniently than private enterprises.
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