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PIKEMAN  
#1 Posted : 16 February 2012 15:53:46(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

Hi gas safety experts I have an 18 year old gas boiler in a domestic property, which has just had to be serviced. The gas fitter (reputable repair company) has told me, not for the first time, that it is "illegal" as the flue is less than 30cm from the window (it's about 20 cm). This, is "illegal" under the "gas safety regs and or building regs part J". It is my belief is that these regs apply only to NEW installations and that THEY DO NOT APPLY RETROSPECTIVELY. Is this correct? Please, no opinions, unless expert! Thanks.
paul.skyrme  
#2 Posted : 16 February 2012 18:30:24(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Not quite the same, however, we have a boiler of around the same age perhaps older. It is regularly serviced by a British company that used to be a utility and now are a private company. We always get an NCS notice about the flue. That is "Not to Current Standards". It does not protrude above the roof line which it apparently should if it was installed now. They have never told me that it is illegal, if he is sure he should be able to give you which section of the regulations etc. that it contravenes. Certainly if I issue an EDN or in my EICR's (PIR's) I will list the reg. numbers that the observations relate to. As far as I know Building Regs only apply when things are changed, and not even then in some cases. They do however apply to new builds obviously, and as I say certain updates, modifications, upgrades and improvements. Hope this helps, but it probably does not, sorry!
phow  
#3 Posted : 16 February 2012 20:17:58(UTC)
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phow

My understanding is that if the gas / water / electric system in your house was correctly installed to the standard of the day it was installed, than it is staill ok to use. Yes it will always be "commented" upon when inspected. If you do upgrade or renewal work , then this must be to the current standards. Ditto many discussions with gas fitters over standards. I go back to the appropriate standard, check it myself an dthed decide whethwer to spend the money on correcting so called illegal issues. I once had to measure and calculate all the holes in an air brick to prove it had the correct Sq inch opening to a gas fitter. Then he shut up. best wishes Peter
phow  
#4 Posted : 16 February 2012 20:19:43(UTC)
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phow

sorry on spelling. my fingers couldn't keep up with my brain!
PIKEMAN  
#5 Posted : 17 February 2012 08:19:43(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

Thanks for the responses everyone, but my original question has still not been answered..............!!! Can anyone give me chapter and verse on this?
PVZ  
#6 Posted : 17 February 2012 11:29:11(UTC)
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PVZ

Don't have access at present to my 'old' gas safety files but do have this link; http://www.planningporta...s/br/BR_PDF_ADJ_1992.pdf Building Regs Part J 1992 600mm clearance from low level discharge or balanced flue to any opening!
PIKEMAN  
#7 Posted : 17 February 2012 11:31:44(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

But does this apply to existing installations or just new? Surely building regs do not apply retroepectively?
PVZ  
#8 Posted : 17 February 2012 11:51:00(UTC)
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PVZ

Pikeman wrote:
But does this apply to existing installations or just new? Surely building regs do not apply retroepectively?
The link I gave was for regs applicable from 1992, so in force at the time of your installation, not the current regs which have a reduction in the distance required between flue and opening!
ajb  
#9 Posted : 20 February 2012 12:34:40(UTC)
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ajb

Pikeman, Dont know if this will provide you with the answers you're after - http://www.hse.gov.uk/sa...lletins/fluesinvoids.htm Regards
walker  
#10 Posted : 20 February 2012 14:38:00(UTC)
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walker

I'll not comment on the regs issues but........ “A British company that used to be a utility and now are a private company." Are gaining some considerable notoriety for implying old installations are illegal Their fitter/inspectors are on bonuses to sell new boilers. Personally I’d steer well clear of them at all times, their past reputation does not hold for the current company with the same name
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