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jarsmith83  
#1 Posted : 22 February 2012 11:30:28(UTC)
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jarsmith83

Hi could anyone tell me, if a member of the public walk into a room where chrysotile asbestos tiles have been removed from the floor that person is walking into and placed in a pile in the room, do I have to notify the HSE. The place has been sealed off and a clean up is now in progress. thanks
HPhillips  
#2 Posted : 22 February 2012 12:44:57(UTC)
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HPhillips

It very much depends upon how much was released and the possible exposure - it could be reportable as a Dangerous Occurrence (release of a substance) - check out the guidance in L73. But with all RIDDOR's if in doubt always report!!!!
jarsmith83  
#3 Posted : 22 February 2012 12:51:24(UTC)
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jarsmith83

Hi Hphillips I have since contacted the HSE and been told the following. Because the tiles are crysotile it very much depends on whether the tiles have been damaged. If the tiles where removed in such a manner as to not have damaged the matrix of these tiles then I have no need to report the incident but just to follow all other procedures such as documenting the incident, investigating, disposing of materials and cleaning of the area (decontamination). This is with reference to schedule 2 paragraph 21 of the RIDDOR guidance doc L73.
Ron Hunter  
#4 Posted : 22 February 2012 12:59:08(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

The method of "decontamination" will be determined entirely by the likely contamination! I suggest you get an analyst in to check. Not uncommon for fibres to be in the substrate holding the tiles to the floor also. Risk Assessment will cover all this of course. Isn't hindsight wonderful! ;-)
Graham Bullough  
#5 Posted : 22 February 2012 13:15:50(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

If this is about vinyl floor tiles, it's most unlikely that any asbestos exposure would have occurred. The asbestos fibres are locked into the vinyl plastic matrix of such tiles and remain so unless released and made airborne by applying a power sander or cutter to the tiles. My understanding is that such tiles glued to a floor can be removed simply by using a spade or other suitable edged tool to cut through the tile adhesive and that this doesn't pose a risk from the asbestos content. However, be aware that vinyl floor tiles and similar products containing asbestos are classified as "toxic" substances under environmental legislation, and therefore should be disposed of as asbestos waste. Don't ask about the logic of this classification because it doesn't seem to have any. If such products go to landfill surely the fibres remain encapsulated in the plastic matrix.
bob youel  
#6 Posted : 22 February 2012 14:01:57(UTC)
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bob youel

As has already been stated by my learned peer Graham; it's most unlikely that any asbestos exposure would have occurred because of the encapsulation of the material and what is needed to release a fibre where a member of the public was present [they should not have been present in the first place!] Additionally there is probably no way of confirming if an exposure has occurred from that particular event as asbestos is all over the place in the general environment that we walk about in so a member of the public, especially anybody over 40, has already been exposed e.g. Brake pads and clutches of vehicles on the public highway is one example! And I would read RIDDOR very carefully and follow through to the other associated guidance as referenced especially COSHH and CHIP and make a decision thereafter as there are certain definitions that need clarifying before you report and most if not all of the reporting parameters are for biological releases/exposure only and as we all know asbestos is not technicially a biological form Would I report? I would need more info about the specific event before I make a comment but generally if no significant release was possible therefore it could not have happened it would point me towards a non reporting situation but again read COSHH and CHIP
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