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Lexyboy  
#1 Posted : 22 February 2012 14:21:41(UTC)
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lexyboy

Hi all, have recently attended an interview for a Senior QHSE Management role, despite giving the opportunity my best shot, able to demonstrate my QHSE competencies including managing employees & managing staff (been QHSE Manager for 3 different employers in last 12 years).

Unfortunately didn't get the role, feedback given was very constructive, that I did well to get to final shortlist of 3 from over 150 applicants, could demonstrate my competences, including giving very good examples of different scenarios from my own experiences., ie handling conflict, dealing with difficult employees, etc, etc.

What let me down? in their words "No experience of managing managers" The role applied for, whilst it wasn't a Director role in name, it was a role reporting to Chief Executive and being responsible for QA Manager & HSE managers at 2x sites.

Fair enough comment, however how does one get this sort of experience? I have no chance in my current role, as we are a medium sized family owned organisation with 90 employees!

Would be interested in hearing how others have overcame this kind of situation

draiggoch  
#2 Posted : 22 February 2012 14:46:29(UTC)
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draiggoch

Lexyboy,
Maybe it's a matter of rewording your prior experiences. Have you had experience of managing team leaders or anybody else who was a line manager for another member of staff?
D.
Lexyboy  
#3 Posted : 22 February 2012 15:32:20(UTC)
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lexyboy

draiggoch wrote:
Lexyboy,
Maybe it's a matter of rewording your prior experiences. Have you had experience of managing team leaders or anybody else who was a line manager for another member of staff?
D.


You could be right, I do however have over 12 years experience at middle management level, this also includes, managing project engineers, team leaders, Cell leaders & supervisors without any problems at all. I would describe myself as a person who confidently persuades, mentors & coaches people.

The concept (or so was said) was the lack of experience at managing managers at a strategic level???

On the other hand, despite having an excellent CV/track record and attaining a number of key initiatives/achievements the years I do sometimes get that sneaky feeling this was just a Politically Correct reason to say we dont really want to employ you at all! (I am profoundly hearing impaired & wear hearing aids in both ears).

Ah well, back to the drawing board!


DP  
#4 Posted : 22 February 2012 15:41:14(UTC)
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DP

Lexboy - what about site project work where you may have taken a lead with a peer group? Could you try and set up something up in your current role for pending projects, speak to your line manager and get this in your personal development plans.

With any management role people are the only problem and in a senior role like this I can see why there is emphasis on managing managers.

However, I also sense you have not had great feedback too - look at the numbers here last 3 out of 150 - they place importance of managing managers in the spec but you made the last 3!!!
JJ Prendergast  
#5 Posted : 22 February 2012 16:48:15(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

Maybe the guy/girl who got it, would do the job for less salary.

This is just a nice generic excuse as to why you didn't get the job.
pete48  
#6 Posted : 22 February 2012 18:17:04(UTC)
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pete48

Lexy, first I would put all thoughts that your hearing impairment had anything to do with the decision out of your mind. Unless they are totally unprofessional it just would not happen. If they had any concerns they would have explored them with you during interview.
Second, whilst I can feel your disappointment I would say to you that all the feedback means is that one of the other candidates had a closer overall match.
It was probably incredibly close (it usually is when you get to the final round) and the significant matter for them in choosing someone else was your lack of direct working with senior staff/Directors of the level or characters that they have.
This is not a criticism of you as a person or your obvious skills; you were just unfortunate on this occasion that someone else matched better.
Take the positives, accept the reality that you do not have that experience and stay aware of it when you attend your next interview so that you can discuss it if relevant.

Good luck and remember that it was your c.v. that got you the interview. That means you were worth seeing.
Ron Hunter  
#7 Posted : 22 February 2012 22:24:42(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Surely not the QSHE role to 'manage' Managers, but to influence them in their behaviours and decision making?
walker  
#8 Posted : 23 February 2012 09:30:41(UTC)
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walker

Lexy,
Unless there is something you feel you can learn so as to improve your performance in future interviews I think you need to shrug this off & get on with life. You got to 2nd place there was someone they thought was slightly better, final selection is a matter of luck.

You might be right about your hearing but it’s just something you have to live with otherwise you will become bitter & depressed. Life is tough and not at all fair. If it was down to your hearing then you don’t want to work for these folks anyway. It’s their loss. I say this as someone who is also profoundly deaf.
gordon j  
#9 Posted : 23 February 2012 12:16:46(UTC)
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gordon j

Lexy

If you did come a "closs second" may be worth recontacting the company again in a few months to re-establish interest in working for them,...never know things may not work out with their first choice and then you may be in right place at right time so to speak....that is if you havent already found suitable alternative employment by such time...

g
gordon j  
#10 Posted : 23 February 2012 12:17:56(UTC)
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gordon j

gordon j wrote:
Lexy

If you did come a "close second" may be worth recontacting the company again in a few months to re-establish interest in working for them,...never know things may not work out with their first choice and then you may be in right place at right time so to speak....that is if you havent already found suitable alternative employment by such time...

g

Malcolm  
#11 Posted : 23 February 2012 15:32:52(UTC)
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Malcolm

I have been in this situation a number of times coming second, however the post i am in at present was given to another person originally as they failed to impress, low and behold I was rung up out of the blue and asked if I was still interested first thoughts no you didn't want me first time around. Changed my mind and went for it turned out the CEO wanted a young graduate and not a 50 something person. CEO went I have the job been in it for 5 years in other words its not always about you its about a person with a particular mind set.

PS CEO had never meet me.
Paul B  
#12 Posted : 23 February 2012 15:36:57(UTC)
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Paul B

Malcolm wrote:
I have been in this situation a number of times coming second, however the post i am in at present was given to another person originally as they failed to impress, low and behold I was rung up out of the blue and asked if I was still interested first thoughts no you didn't want me first time around. Changed my mind and went for it turned out the CEO wanted a young graduate and not a 50 something person. CEO went I have the job been in it for 5 years in other words its not always about you its about a person with a particular mind set.

PS CEO had never meet me.

Is Ageism practice not illegal?
Malcolm  
#13 Posted : 23 February 2012 15:40:52(UTC)
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Malcolm

Yes ageism practice is illegall but you try and prove it.
Lexyboy  
#14 Posted : 24 February 2012 11:15:59(UTC)
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lexyboy

pete48 wrote:
Lexy, first I would put all thoughts that your hearing impairment had anything to do with the decision out of your mind. Unless they are totally unprofessional it just would not happen. If they had any concerns they would have explored them with you during interview.
Second, whilst I can feel your disappointment I would say to you that all the feedback means is that one of the other candidates had a closer overall match.
It was probably incredibly close (it usually is when you get to the final round) and the significant matter for them in choosing someone else was your lack of direct working with senior staff/Directors of the level or characters that they have.
This is not a criticism of you as a person or your obvious skills; you were just unfortunate on this occasion that someone else matched better.
Take the positives, accept the reality that you do not have that experience and stay aware of it when you attend your next interview so that you can discuss it if relevant.

Good luck and remember that it was your c.v. that got you the interview. That means you were worth seeing.


Pete48, unfortunately in my own experience, my hearing impairment has indeed caused issues with potential employers throughout my career, hence why I dont mention it on my CV, rightly as you say my CV got me the interview, and without being boastful, I know I am worth seeing, as I have worked pretty damn well hard to achieve my successes in my career to date. There have been a number of interviewers who have made it pretty obvious they were disappointed in interviewing a candidate with a hearing impairment. Their loss not mine!

Have had plenty experience in working with Senior Management/Directors in influencing their attitudes towards QHSE issues. I do appreciate that someone else may be a right fit for the role, perhaps we will never really know the real reason, whilst I had brief verbal feedback (via telephone), I was promised detailed feedback in writing 2 weeks ago, and I'm still waiting! Dont think this is going to happen, so this just emphasises my own suspicions as to the reasons for rejection.

Its just a fact of life, that you get to the final run in, and run out of steam across the finish line.

I do take pride in the fact I was shortlisted, but the concept reasoning of "Managing Managers" is one I am still struggling to grasp. As any good QHSE practitioner will say its all about managing upwards as well as downwards!

Perhaps this particular opportunity was not the right role for me, I am big enough to take it on the chin and move on! The right role is out there!

For all the other comments, there has been some good feedback, and certainly, I have taken this on board.

Thanks for your support guys!

Alex

PS just taken a call regarding an opportunity that is, and will be more up my street, watch this space!


Mike55  
#15 Posted : 24 February 2012 11:32:25(UTC)
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Mike55

Getting past #3 out of 150 is sometimes something as simple as personality or looks. And yes, I have to agree with Malcomb. Age discrimination is alive and well but rarely challenged. I once made it to #2 and felt I was ideal for the position. The recruiter later told me (in confidence) that I didn't get the job because I was "a little too old, a little too white, and a little too male." Rather than worrying about things I couldn't control, I kept trying until I finally landed a great job. That was 3 years ago. I've been promoted twice and received 4 salary increases. You just have to stick to your guns and keep doing your best. Good things will happen.
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