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sean  
#1 Posted : 16 March 2012 12:19:13(UTC)
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Does anyone else out there get "the wrong end of the stick" very often? It would be good to hear some examples! And where did that saying come from?
sean  
#2 Posted : 16 March 2012 12:20:59(UTC)
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Weekends up, was the last piece for the heading
kdrum  
#3 Posted : 16 March 2012 12:33:49(UTC)
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At a safety meeting after not being in post long, I was rather taken back by the statement that the seapage from an 'acetyelene tank' was not a big issue as not used much. When I asked them to repeat it turned out they were talking about a 'settling tank' coming from a dyehouse, that was not used much. No wonder some others have difficulty understanding Scots when we don't always understand ourselves!
Yossarian  
#4 Posted : 16 March 2012 13:08:01(UTC)
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sean wrote:
Does anyone else out there get "the wrong end of the stick" very often? It would be good to hear some examples! And where did that saying come from?
Current speculation in our office is that the announcement that Rob Strange is standing down as Chief Executive of IOSH is somehow linked to a current vacancy for Archbishop of Canterbury. Is that the kind of thing?
MrsBlue  
#5 Posted : 16 March 2012 13:49:45(UTC)
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wrong end of the stick -If you imaged the most disgusting origin then you were right! I've heard two explanations that vary slightly. One comes from the outhouse days when there were no flushing toilets and the other dates back much earlier, to the days of the Roman baths. Regardless, the outcome was the same! The person in the next stall may have asked for their neighbor to "pass the stick," instead of toilet paper since that was yet to exist. The stick had a sponge on one end and if the recipient grabbed the wrong end, they'd be getting the wrong end of the stick. Most definitely unpleasant! Straight off the internet verbatim. Rich
redken  
#6 Posted : 16 March 2012 13:55:38(UTC)
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"Straight off the internet verbatim." and therefore it must be true just as is all the information from official bodies
MrsBlue  
#7 Posted : 16 March 2012 13:59:26(UTC)
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Touche redken. Made me smile for the first time today. The website did say that the compiler listed his favourite definitions of idioms and phrases and where the concensus of opinion thought they came from. Have a nice weekend Rich
Irwin43241  
#8 Posted : 16 March 2012 14:26:02(UTC)
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I was giving advice at Director level on the subject of Lone Working and the need for Risk Assessments in particular for staff who visit clients with mental health problems in their own homes and who may present violence and agression. I focused on the initial visit where there may not be any information about the client, who else lived in the property, the area etc. Therefore, advised on a procedure forthe initial visit two members of staff should attend to complete a Risk Assessment to enable a decision if it was safe for future visits alone. A Director was not happy about the doubling up for the initial visit. When asked what his reasoning was he said if there is no known risk it was not necessary to double or complete a risk assessment.
Graham Bullough  
#9 Posted : 16 March 2012 16:52:38(UTC)
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Warning: yet more REMiniscences from me! During my early years with HSE one of my bosses started talking about a diseased employee after having received a rare notification of a factory employee who had been diagnosed with a prescribed reportable disease. As I initially thought my boss was referring to a deceased employee, I asked when the employee had died - only to be told that he was evidently still alive if perhaps not exactly kicking! Can't remember the nature of the disease which had been reported. Blame insomnia, ambrosia, amnesia - something like that! Straying now from OS&H, when starting at infant school I was puzzled by other kids when they referred to a chasing game of 'cops and robbers' in the playground. I understood that the kids playing the robbers got chased, but couldn't understand why they were being chased by what sounded like "cups" because I was totally unaware at that age of 'cops' or any other slang word for policemen. For more non-OS&H examples, there's always the apocryphal tale of the telephoned military command "send reinforcements, we're going to advance" which got misinterpreted as "send three and fourpence, we're going to a dance" - evidently long before the days of decimal currency. Also, there's the classic hardware shop sketch by the "Two Ronnies" on TV in which the shopkeeper mishears the customer asking for "fork handles" and offers him four candles. p.s. sean - hope the mods don't notice that you've mentioned the F-word in your topic title and leave this topic unlocked for a few days!
sean  
#10 Posted : 16 March 2012 19:46:49(UTC)
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I had suspected that the correct reason for the saying "wrong end of the stick" that Rich has given is correct, in that case I have been on the receiving end for many, many years!!!
Ciaran Delaney  
#11 Posted : 16 March 2012 20:54:11(UTC)
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Yossarian, Ya flute!! I have this visual in my head of Rob dressed in all the regalia giving his blessing as he leaves "The Grange" for the last time. Jon Barratt or Anup Patel, there's a challenge for ye!! Photoshop Rob as the Archbishop!! Fair dues, Yosser!! To all of ye ahead of tomorrow, Lá Fhéile Pádraig daoibh go léir
Graham Bullough  
#12 Posted : 17 March 2012 10:38:32(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Despite my interest in history and knowing that the Romans used sponges on sticks instead of toilet paper which presumably hadn't been invented in those days, I confess I wasn't aware of the subject phrase stemming from such implements. I thought it was more to do with a person or animal being hit or beaten with a stick and therefore getting the wrong end of it - so perhaps I've misunderstood the phrase for years. By the way, for a very well prerved example of communal Roman loos (alias latrines) try visiting Housesteads Roman Fort located beside the Roman Wall in Northumberland. Though I haven't been there for many years, it's likely that the information for visitors will include snippets about sponge sticks. It's slightly curious that the Romans were adept at using (and perhaps also developed) structural concrete but apparently didn't develop toilet paper - which begs the question of when toilet paper was developed and by whom.
boblewis  
#13 Posted : 17 March 2012 19:50:35(UTC)
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And I was just getting my head round a construction accident of the 1120s when the prior went up a ladder to look at the work, as clients are prone to do. He fell off and was immediately killed. Then this appears and RS is potential candidate for AoC. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bob
Graham Bullough  
#14 Posted : 19 March 2012 10:25:54(UTC)
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When I was about 5 years old and in reception class at infant school several of the other boys seemed to cause great amusement one afternoon by saying "bxgger off" to each other. I'd never heard this expression before but was sufficiently impressed by its laughter generating capacity that I uttered it to the class teacher, a grumpy spinster lady of mature years. Instead of being amused by it, as I had naively expected, she became furious, shouted at me to go to the back of the class and that she would wash my mouth out with soap at the end of school. I had no idea what the expression meant and therefore couldn't understand why the teacher reacted as she did. I was terrified, to the extent that when the teacher tried to get hold of me after all the other kids had left, I ran and managed to get out of the building and off the school site without being caught. Subsequently from my suddenly acquired phobia about going to school my Mum twigged that something had happened and therefore contacted the school to be told that I had sworn at the teacher. She went to have a discussion with the headteacher, also a respectable mature spinster, who was initially most reluctant to tell my mother what I had said, and then asked if my father was prone to swearing! My Mum explained that neither she nor my Dad swore and that it was most likely that I had picked up the expression from some classmates whose parents or older siblings did swear. Furthermore, she was not impressed by the teacher's over-reaction to my utterance when it would have been more appropriate to tell me that what I had said was rude and shouldn't be repeated. Though my foul-mouthed nature was probably added to my school record, a positive outcome of the incident was that I was promptly transferred to another class which had a somewhat younger and much nicer teacher. In long retrospect, there were several lessons involved: One was that people should not use words or expressions if unsure of their meaning. The second was that people should not assume that others - especially young children - necessarily understand what they're saying. The third lesson is that accused people threatened with punishment should be told - and if necessary have explained to them - what they are being accused of!
Graham Bullough  
#15 Posted : 19 March 2012 11:25:52(UTC)
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Just to add an OS&H slant to this topic (and repeat a tale mentioned on this forum sometime last year) I discovered some 20 years that one member of my employer's painting teams was convinced that 'low odour' as a description for organic solvent-based paints meant that the solvent vapour derived from the paint as it dried was heavier than air and therefore wouldn't affect him unless he was lying down while applying such paint. Until our discussion nobody had explained to him that 'low odour' meant a lower than usual concentration of organic solvent in such paints, so his interpretation was quite understandable in my opinion. As an OS&H echo of one of the lessons from my "bad language" experience above, it's appropriate for us to check what other people understand by words and expressions which those of us who work in OS&H tend to take for granted. For example, insurers talk about putting something "on risk", i.e. providing insurance cover for a property, person or activity (I think!) unlike ourselves who strive to reduce risk.
HPhillips  
#16 Posted : 19 March 2012 11:37:16(UTC)
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I agree with Graham that whilst this topic has been fun it does have a valid safety slant regarding how we get the health and safety message across and whether the intended target understands the message. As a trainer - accents/ regional words or phrases can make the course interesting to say the least and being Welsh I am always having to make sure that everyone understands what I'm actually saying!!!!!
auntysmash  
#17 Posted : 20 March 2012 08:29:07(UTC)
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One example actually happened to me yesterday. We have a disabled employee who needs assistance with the toilet, so we have an arrangement with a third party carer who comes onto site to assist him when he needs them. We were discussing this arrangement with senior management and the difficulties of getting him 'in synch' with the carer so he doesn't have to wait too long, but this was badly misunderstood by one director that when he 'goes', he has to go IN THE SINK.....The director was very upset and said there is no way we should be making a disabled employee do this...... until we explained the error in his understanding. Messages can be very easily misinterpreted!
Alan Haynes  
#18 Posted : 20 March 2012 09:02:11(UTC)
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Talking of sinks .......... Many moons ago, in the last millennium, I was working on site in Cornwall. We started 'snagging' the works and found a Belfast sink in the depot that had two hot taps and two cold taps over it. We asked the plumber why there were four taps and he said it was asked for on the drawings. The drawing said "pair of taps, Hot and Cold" - so that's what he fitted, a pair of Cold taps and a pair of Hot. Cornish logic is unbeatable
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