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stupot  
#1 Posted : 18 April 2012 14:59:33(UTC)
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stupot

Can anyone help? We run a waste transfer station, as you enter the transfer stn our entrance to the offices are on the left. The walkway in this area is clean and relativly dry, at the far end of these offices is another door which leads into the site, where the surface is wet and slippery?? In this working area the PPE requirements are hi-viz and safety boots as a minimum. Today one of our sales guys wearing his normal shoes, with smooth heals & soles slipped over. I have said he should not have been there wearing those shoes and have tried to stop ALL staff entering this area when they are not wearing safety footwear, this has been met with a lot of unhappy staff as when the sandwich van visits they will not be able to "pop out". This is the only time the office staff venture into this area for 2 - 3 minuts to collect their food. Any suugestions on remaining compliant and keeping the staff happy, this includes the general manager.
Heather Collins  
#2 Posted : 18 April 2012 15:05:52(UTC)
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Heather Collins

It's hard to comment without knowing your layout but a few thoughts Get the sandwich van to park somewhere else? Where do your office staff park their cars and would this be a suitable alternative location? Is the main yard (presumably with other vehicles moving?) really the best place anyway? Clean the walkway in the yard so it's not slippery? What is making it slippery anyway (other than water!)?
KAJ Safe  
#3 Posted : 18 April 2012 16:04:05(UTC)
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KAJ Safe

Should safety boots really be needed for general access? I would think safety boots are required for certain tasks not for going to the sandwich van. Is the walkway sloped? - more info needed please. I also work in the waste sector and we find that oil tranfer from the scrap steel ends up being transferred by foot.
stupot  
#4 Posted : 18 April 2012 16:13:48(UTC)
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stupot

Thanks, Heather & Cuttle, where the van parks is in the main yard, as for PPE we have signage in place for all visitors past a certain area. The walkway is slightly sloped and on a corner, the staff going to the sandwich van have to venture off the walkway, I don't think this incident would have happened if the correct footwear was worn, but, do I upset everyone, it is only a small company.
Kate  
#5 Posted : 18 April 2012 16:21:35(UTC)
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Kate

As Heather says, there may be better solutions than getting them to wear safety shoes - and not just in terms of keeping them happy, but in terms of keeping them safer. It's still safer not to walk on a slippery surface in the first place even if you do have good shoes on. The first thing I'd look at is getting the sandwich van to park somewhere else as Heather suggests.
decimomal  
#6 Posted : 18 April 2012 16:32:56(UTC)
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decimomal

You say that the working areas is “wet and slippery” and that the PPE requirements in that area are hi-viz and safety boots as a minimum. You go on to say that one of your employees slipped over in this area and was not wearing the safety footwear as required. This would indicate that although you have put controls in place they are not being complied with. Reading between the lines this also indicates this it is custom and practice. You do not want to alienate the workforce but you do need to address the issue as there is likely to be a recurrence of either persons entering the area without the PPE required or, more seriously, another slip/fall and consequential injury. If there is an injury it may become reportable and ultimately there may be a claim on the horizon resulting in you being in a tricky position of having to defend the potentially indefensible. What is the answer? As has been suggested already,relocating the sandwich van is the first thing to consider, followed by a bit of education and gentle nudging to get people on board.
FloorTester  
#7 Posted : 19 April 2012 06:42:42(UTC)
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FloorTester

Hello Stupot, is the Slippery floor indoors or outdoors? Reading between the lines, I'm assuming this is your responsibility? If so, then you have a 'duty of care' to provide a safe surface for ALL employees within the site. If indoors, then a Pendulum test needs carrying out to verify if the floor is above a PTV of 36 or not. If outdoors, could some robust matting or specialised antislip walkways (watco.co.uk) be installed? PM me for further info' - it's what I do. Off to Swindon later to look at pretty much the same scenario, so always glad to help
Invictus  
#8 Posted : 19 April 2012 07:16:14(UTC)
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Invictus

Like others taking that this walkway is outside then it is always best to ascertain why the floor is slippery. There are altenatives as the butty ven to give a list of what is on the van so that it can be ordered the day before and ask him to deliver it to the main entrance were it can be collected or as stated look at the best place for parking, can he stop outside the main entrance and then move to the other area once the office staff have used it. Were I work there is no just walking in or out so we had the butty van give us a menu of items carried and we order the day before also saves on congestion at the van.
SP900308  
#9 Posted : 19 April 2012 07:58:33(UTC)
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SP900308

At our place the sandwich lady brings her stock into the office, might save on the wasted time too. Did the sales guy need to go into the higher risk area? If so, do you provide PPE that is available to visitors, sales staff including shoes / boots? Finally, if he is authorised to go into the higher risk area, was he aware of the risks (did your company bring them to his attention?). If he wasn't authorised - disciplinary!
NLivesey  
#10 Posted : 19 April 2012 17:09:33(UTC)
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NLivesey

stupot wrote:
Can anyone help? We run a waste transfer station, as you enter the transfer stn our entrance to the offices are on the left. The walkway in this area is clean and relativly dry, at the far end of these offices is another door which leads into the site, where the surface is wet and slippery?? In this working area the PPE requirements are hi-viz and safety boots as a minimum. Today one of our sales guys wearing his normal shoes, with smooth heals & soles slipped over. I have said he should not have been there wearing those shoes and have tried to stop ALL staff entering this area when they are not wearing safety footwear, this has been met with a lot of unhappy staff as when the sandwich van visits they will not be able to "pop out". This is the only time the office staff venture into this area for 2 - 3 minuts to collect their food. Any suugestions on remaining compliant and keeping the staff happy, this includes the general manager.
If the normal PPE requirement has been set out then it's a failure to comply with the requirements especially if it's a case of 'past this point this is what you must wear'. Unfortunately it's likely this will be one of those instances where you may be seen as the office kill joy but the evidence speaks for itself and that's what you need to monopolise on. Someone's had an accident because their footwear was inappropriate for the location. I'd agree with everyone's thoughts that the snack van should be moved, not just because it'll prevent others having the same accident when they buy their lunch but also because of the imported risk of the driver having a similar accident and the inevitable letter from their solicitor. Especially so if the driver hasn't had a site induction detasiling the minimum PPE requirement. It's also probably worth highlighting to the GM that if a similar accident did occur the company wouldn't have a leg to stand on (pardon the rather hamfisted pun - I'll get my coat...).
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#11 Posted : 19 April 2012 17:47:29(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

Slips and trips are your immediate concern but you really should put hygiene first. Food, even wrapped food, should be nowhere near the waste working areas. Staff should remove gloves etc, wash hands and exit via a more appropriate route. Also sounds like your food provider is permitted to enter your site via the vehicle entrance directly into your waste handling area. Where in your site management plan does that appear? It certainly won't be compliant with your permit.
stupot  
#12 Posted : 19 April 2012 21:03:39(UTC)
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stupot

My first posting and what a great response, thank you everyone I am glad I became a member. Now time to get busy and correct so many wrongs, this little incident just highlights, within the business, that such a small issues can really turn quiet quickly and it is nice to have other members responses back up what you try to achieve.
firesafety101  
#13 Posted : 19 April 2012 22:14:15(UTC)
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firesafety101

Oh for a photo facility on this forum
ptaylor14  
#14 Posted : 20 April 2012 11:38:00(UTC)
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ptaylor14

stupot wrote:
Can anyone help? We run a waste transfer station, as you enter the transfer stn our entrance to the offices are on the left. The walkway in this area is clean and relativly dry, at the far end of these offices is another door which leads into the site, where the surface is wet and slippery?? In this working area the PPE requirements are hi-viz and safety boots as a minimum. Today one of our sales guys wearing his normal shoes, with smooth heals & soles slipped over. I have said he should not have been there wearing those shoes and have tried to stop ALL staff entering this area when they are not wearing safety footwear, this has been met with a lot of unhappy staff as when the sandwich van visits they will not be able to "pop out". This is the only time the office staff venture into this area for 2 - 3 minuts to collect their food. Any suugestions on remaining compliant and keeping the staff happy, this includes the general manager.
Remove the hazard at source, if brick were falling from a scaffold you`d stop the bricks falling not issue hard hats to the people underneath
SP900308  
#15 Posted : 20 April 2012 11:57:39(UTC)
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SP900308

Stupot, Is this leachate from the waste?
Seabee81  
#16 Posted : 21 April 2012 11:12:18(UTC)
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Seabee81

I'm not sure if this has already been said, I didn't read all of the replies, have you considered rubber anti slip mats? We use them offshore for personnel entering and exiting the fast rescue craft, they area is always wet and slippy but the mats seem to work well.
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