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David Bannister  
#1 Posted : 13 June 2012 14:55:00(UTC)
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David Bannister

A recent thread on here set me thinking about why we sometimes have such differences of opinion when we all know that H&S is "just common sense" (ducks quickly). Our training and education may be broadly similar yet our responses to simple questions can be markedly different. Is it perhaps our roles that create the difference or is it maybe our perceptions of how our jobs need to be done? Some of us see our role as protecting workers, others as protecting employers, others as protecting the public, others as preventing harm and others still as enforcing law. Thus the practitioner that believes in "getting things done" may be performing a very function from the practitioner who ensures that corporate H&S risk management goals are being achieved whilst the enforcer answers to different bosses than the safety representative. Discuss. (90 mins, 120 marks)
David Bannister  
#2 Posted : 13 June 2012 15:22:08(UTC)
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David Bannister

doh, ... very DIFFERENT function... Thanks JW
Seabee81  
#3 Posted : 13 June 2012 15:50:31(UTC)
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Seabee81

I'd say it is our roles that create the difference. I've recently changed jobs from a mostly on site role as a safety officer, where I was there to prevent harm to the personnel that worked there, to an office based role where it is very much about risk management.
Tomkins26432  
#4 Posted : 13 June 2012 16:18:35(UTC)
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Tomkins26432

Mine is pretty black and white : Prevent harm to people (staff/volunteers/public and clients) Protect the interest of my employer Help prevent incidents that damage property and cost money. In that order
SP900308  
#5 Posted : 14 June 2012 08:06:49(UTC)
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SP900308

Education, education, education...... educate Designers educate Clients educate the Workforce educate Principal Contractors educate other Health and Safety Practitioners and finally.....educate friends and colleagues about this 'scape goat' Health and Safety burden that is supposedly suffocating business and preventing Mrs Miggins from hanging out her basket!
Zyggy  
#6 Posted : 14 June 2012 08:58:37(UTC)
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Zyggy

In the 30+ years in H&S with various organisations I have tried to wear all these hats, depending on the circumstances, but being pragmatic at the same time (if a manager is talking through his/her proverbials then I would, in the nicest possible way, tell them so, but equally would also do the same to an employee/member of the public or the enforcement agencies!). As for differing opinions..RIDDOR springs to mind - a good example of how different people interpret a dreadfully crafted piece of legislation! Zyggy
DP  
#7 Posted : 14 June 2012 09:43:42(UTC)
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DP

Few year ago we did 101 things now if we are lucky its 1001 – what you do depends on the industry and organisation - yes we can apply much common sense to safety but ‘health’ - many practitioners are called H&S but don’t go near health related matters. I’ve gone from in the early days of implementing HSG 65 systems in to organisations to now picking up business continuity and in-between I’ve have fire, environment, and quality, insurance and of course all the HR problems they don’t want!!!!! These are the hard roles of the trade. Then we have the soft – councillor, shoulder to cry on, referee, arbitrator you name it – then when we need a soft role for support we are in the loneliest job in the word.
smitch  
#8 Posted : 14 June 2012 10:18:38(UTC)
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smitch

Cheese and pickle……………………………………………………………………. Sorry having a bad day and if I don’t laugh then I’ll cry :-( On a slightly more serious note: - Educator - Facilitator - Investigator - Mediator - Moderator - Negotiator As they all end in “or” then we should also include “or” anything other matter that no- one else wants to do.
Jake  
#9 Posted : 14 June 2012 11:16:11(UTC)
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Jake

To save the business money.
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