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Bobby Junior  
#1 Posted : 16 June 2012 07:02:05(UTC)
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Bobby Junior

Hi everyone, would just like know if there is a requirement/standard where to place MSDS in the workplace, example: MSDS should be at the point of use or MSDS can be placed in within the area Thanks Bobby
Betta Spenden  
#2 Posted : 16 June 2012 09:51:22(UTC)
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Betta Spenden

Nail them (staple) with your COSHH risk assessments. If they are on line then scan them and locate the scan copy in the same file.
Kate  
#3 Posted : 18 June 2012 08:15:12(UTC)
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Kate

There's no standard - you can put them wherever works for you. I suggest not having multiple copies scattered around the place as this becomes difficult to control and keep up to date. A central electronic store is very convenient.
chris.packham  
#4 Posted : 18 June 2012 09:13:49(UTC)
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chris.packham

As has already been stated, there is no specific requirement to keep them in a particular location. I would have them centrally located so that it is easy to locate a particular safety data sheet for reference or for updating. However, remember that many suppliers are not very good at notifying you of changes, so a program to ensure that suppliers are contacted at appropriate intervals to make sure that you have the up to date information.
Lawlee45239  
#5 Posted : 18 June 2012 09:18:34(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

Bobby Junior wrote:
Hi everyone, would just like know if there is a requirement/standard where to place MSDS in the workplace, example: MSDS should be at the point of use or MSDS can be placed in within the area Thanks Bobby
EIther or, whichever suits. If the workplace (point of user area) is dry, why not laminate them and keep them beside the COSHH materials??
Safety butterfly  
#6 Posted : 18 June 2012 09:29:27(UTC)
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Safety butterfly

We have all ours stored on the local intranet, every member of staff has access to the intranet. This helps to control out of date copies. I update our system every 12 months and inform everyone of any new changes that may have been made. We also have one hard copy in a specified location for the Fire Service should there ever be a situation arise when they will need it.
A Kurdziel  
#7 Posted : 18 June 2012 10:08:03(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Why are you even posting the MSDS’s anyway? The requirement under COSHH is to carry out a Risk Assessment using the relevant information from the MSDS as it applies to your work activity. The findings of the risk assessment need to be recorded and your employees need to be supplied with the relevant information to enable them to apply suitable controls. For most employees, they don’t need the information in the MSDS. In the US there is no requirement to carry out a risk assessment rather all they do is post up the MSDS and leave it for staff to try to work out what is relevant. I suspect that some multinationals do the same here and therefore confuse the issue. There is nothing to stop you doing it but it is not a legal requirement.
Seabee81  
#8 Posted : 18 June 2012 10:13:30(UTC)
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Seabee81

One copy in your COSHH locker, one with the medic/first aider/nurse and one on your computer in a central database
Jake  
#9 Posted : 18 June 2012 11:27:15(UTC)
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Jake

A Kurdziel wrote:
Why are you even posting the MSDS’s anyway? The requirement under COSHH is to carry out a Risk Assessment using the relevant information from the MSDS as it applies to your work activity. The findings of the risk assessment need to be recorded and your employees need to be supplied with the relevant information to enable them to apply suitable controls. For most employees, they don’t need the information in the MSDS. In the US there is no requirement to carry out a risk assessment rather all they do is post up the MSDS and leave it for staff to try to work out what is relevant. I suspect that some multinationals do the same here and therefore confuse the issue. There is nothing to stop you doing it but it is not a legal requirement.
Quite agree. The risk assessment and control measures is the relevant infomration that those on the coal face need to know. We use the MSDS's when undertaking RA's but don't publish them for the workforce to use, everything they need to know is within the COSHH and first aid procedures (written in clear, concise and non-technical wording wherever possible (the opposite of most MSDS's!)). I suppose it will depend on the nature of the business, risk level, type of worker etc. but for us handing out a MSDS would be wholly inappropriate.
bilbo  
#10 Posted : 18 June 2012 15:11:02(UTC)
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bilbo

Couldn't agree more Jake - why do people get so hung up on MSDS it is the risk assessment that counts, the MSDS is but one source of information feeding into the risk assessment.As we have heard so often on this forum a good number of MSDS are full of misinformation at best and at worst "utter rubbish".
Garfield Esq  
#11 Posted : 19 June 2012 14:56:32(UTC)
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Garfield Esq

Chris.Packham wrote:
As has already been stated, there is no specific requirement to keep them in a particular location. I would have them centrally located so that it is easy to locate a particular safety data sheet for reference or for updating. However, remember that many suppliers are not very good at notifying you of changes, so a program to ensure that suppliers are contacted at appropriate intervals to make sure that you have the up to date information.
Only thing I would add is refer location of msds in RA if kept in a different location...
chris42  
#12 Posted : 19 June 2012 16:33:38(UTC)
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chris42

We used to keep the MSDS in a central location on the shop floor, that way if there was an accident, it could be readily found and a copy sent with the injured person. This was done, following an accident, where the hospital requested this document, but then we had problems faxing it as the hospital main fax would not work. (eventually had to send it to the children's ward, hayho). We decided in future it would be better (not to have an accident) to send with the IP.
Big Nick  
#13 Posted : 20 June 2012 13:08:27(UTC)
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Big Nick

Does it not state somewhere that employees need access to the MSDS.
A Kurdziel  
#14 Posted : 20 June 2012 13:59:17(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Big Nick wrote:
Does it not state somewhere that employees need access to the MSDS.
COSHH regulation 12 states (1) Every employer ...shall provide that employee with suitable and sufficient information, instruction, and training. (2) ...including (i) ... (ii) ..., (iii) access to any relevant safety data sheet. But the ACOP (Para. 243) says: Regulation 12(2) (a) (iii) allows employees... access to any relevant safety data sheet. These sheets (MSDS) are not always the best or most appropriate way of providing employees with information about the risks associated with the use of hazardous substances in the workplace. Employers may instead choose to distil the information from safety data sheets onto more readable and understandable in-house information and training documents. ... Which means, that while the EU directive states that MSDS must be made available to employees, the HSE think it is more important for the employee to have access to readable/ useful work instructions than an MSDS.
chris.packham  
#15 Posted : 20 June 2012 15:15:26(UTC)
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chris.packham

“HSE’s experience suggests that a large proportion of SDSs do not provide adequate or correct information on hazards and exposure controls.” – from Topic Inspection Pack, Work Related Contact Dermatitis, Skin Disease Programme
Big Nick  
#16 Posted : 22 June 2012 15:42:30(UTC)
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Big Nick

So the legality of it is that your staff need access to the relevant MSDS. And the ACOP is contradicting the law by stating that 'Employers may instead' choose something else (COSHH Assessment)? Which would take precedence Law or ACOP. I give them access to both btw.
A Kurdziel  
#17 Posted : 22 June 2012 16:14:33(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

The question asked was if there is a requirement/standard to place an MSDS in the workplace, example: MSDS should be at the point of use or MSDS can be placed in within the area? The answer to that questions is NO; there is no legal requirement to post the MSDS in a particular location where the work is being carried out (unlike in some countries where there is duty to post the MSDS) There is a legal requirement to provide employees with access to any relevant safety data sheet. This could mean keeping a copy of the MSDS locked in a cupboard in a dusty file that is only opened up on the rare occasion that an employee wants to have a look at it. The ACOP makes it clear that as far as the HSE is concerned the important thing is that there is readable and understandable in-house information and training documents. ... and that is how the legal duty (in reg 12 of COSHH) to supply information, instruction, and training is to be supplied to employees not by posting MSDS’s all over the place. To comply with Reg 12 you have to do more than show them a piece of paper. You need to provide them with detailed work instructions including controls derived from the risk assessment. You have to make sure that they understand the controls and why they are being applied. One issue with COSHH, which the regs and ACOP recognise, is that unlike some hazards the risk from hazardous substances are not obvious. Furthermore MSDS are not the be all and end all hazardous substances- just because a substance does not have an MSDS does not make it non-hazardous. Hence the need for risk assessment.
aud  
#18 Posted : 23 June 2012 10:38:16(UTC)
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aud

Very thorough and helpful response (AK et al). For anyone still unsure whether or not MSDS are critically relevant to shop floor workers and the be-all; what if the (COSHH) risk is from CO fumes, dust, or other by-products etc? No manufacturer or supplier, no MSDS . . . but plenty of risk.
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